Did open carry backfire?

[jerp]

If they didn't already have an 06 sign, I don't know why they would suddenly post both. I can see how deciding to post an 06 sign could potentially cause a measurable loss of business in Texas

However as far as 07 signs, I don't think they are worried about losing the few customers who insist on going everywhere with an exposed gun on their hip. These places are not in business to take a stand on a hot-button political issue -they are in business to make money. I'm sure they have figured out that the amount of business they may lose from a boycott by open carry absolutists is negligible. They can put up an 07 sign and then never have to deal with any problems allowing it might cause. (even though the possibility of problems is overblown IMO)

[Artos]

I have yet to see any 30-06 signs...those are the only ones that concern me anyway.

Don't care if a 30-07 is posted as it doesn't affect the end game, but like stated...if they post a 30-06 I would rather not do business with them in the first place.

[BBBGP]

Been said many times 40 or so states have open carry and it is not a big deal.

People on both sides are making it a big deal in TX.

yep

[Theodore]

You've missed the point. This is about 30.06 signs going up along with 30.07 signs. I understand your concerns and I share them. But, the reply is off topic for this thread. It's about businesses also banning conceal carry at the same time they ban open carry.

Respectfully, I disagree that I was off topic. Did open carry backfire? He didn't specify that it was about 30.06 and 30.07 signs, did he? Backfiring could address a range of issues and I wanted to point out a couple of topics that have come up in other TBH forums (i.e. disapproval of stores posting signs and safety issues). I'm fairly certain I'm on topic, but perhaps not the specific topic you were thinking of at the time.

[SB09]

Respectfully, I disagree that I was off topic. Did open carry backfire? He didn't specify that it was about 30.06 and 30.07 signs, did he? Backfiring could address a range of issues and I wanted to point out a couple of topics that have come up in other TBH forums (i.e. disapproval of stores posting signs and safety issues). I'm fairly certain I'm on topic, but perhaps not the specific topic you were thinking of at the time.

You've got to read the body of his original post. He even clears the topic up a few posts above here.

[Mike D]

Did open carry backfire?

I have yet to see any 30-06 signs...those are the only ones that concern me anyway.



Don't care if a 30-07 is posted as it doesn't affect the end game, but like stated...if they post a 30-06 I would rather not do business with them in the first place.

This stance gets under my skin. Why are you ok with one but not the other? Is it because it doesn't affect you personally?

You are either for gun rights or you aren't.

This isn't an attack on you Paul just the general stance like that this that some people are taking.

And for the record I also support a business's right to post whatever they want on their private property. I just wish they would do it for the right reasons and not ignorance.

[bowsticker]

been said many times 40 or so states have open carry and it is not a big deal.

People on both sides are making it a big deal in tx.

this ^^^^^^^ amen

[ultrastealth]

There is the law, then there is what is right and prudent. I conceal carry everywhere. If I get caught, it's a misdemeanor. Big deal. It may save my life to ignore the sign, so I do. Obviously, I'm not going to try to carry where there's metal detectors, but, in any other scenario, if I get caught carrying concealed, it's because it was necessary to draw my weapon, in which case, I'll just live to suffer the consequences.

[BrianL]

I think it might backfire if they go to a single sign, where 06 and 07 are on same sign.

[czechaholic]

All I know is that my wait in lines at HEB and Whataburger are going to be far less with the boycotts and all!!!

[Theodore]

You've got to read the body of his original post. He even clears the topic up a few posts above here.

Thanks for the heads-up. I had read the original post and I did realize what part of his intent was. But I still don't see how I'm off topic.

He finished with the question "...will they take signs down?," and I don't think they will. I described a situation that might make some folks uncomfortable in an establishment and I think that some businesses won't want to deal with that. And I offered a brief suggestion about how I think licenses should be issued--so that might not have directly addressed the issue, but it intended to imply that open carry could require additional certification meaning a greater level of expertise with a firearm in public.

I'm still fairly certain I'm not off topic by much if any.

[SB09]

Thanks for the heads-up. I had read the original post and I did realize what part of his intent was. But I still don't see how I'm off topic.



He finished with the question "...will they take signs down?," and I don't think they will. I described a situation that might make some folks uncomfortable in an establishment and I think that some businesses won't want to deal with that. And I offered a brief suggestion about how I think licenses should be issued--so that might not have directly addressed the issue, but it intended to imply that open carry could require additional certification meaning a greater level of expertise with a firearm in public.



I'm still fairly certain I'm not off topic by much if any.

I can agree with the license requirements. There ought to be some sort of ongoing education and training commitment by every person that takes on the responsibilities of carrying a firearm in public. Be that state/federally mandated or by their own choice.

[bphillips]

It raised awareness. Businesses figured they would stop the more publicized open carry and stumbled onto the fact they can also ban concealed. They went ahead and took care of both at once.

Yep and I'm afraid many more will follow

[oktx]

I may have missed it, but what is the advantage to carry open? Please list.

[Artos]

No offense taken Mike...you know where I stand on gun rights. I also feel the same for business owners & their rights. Not everyone is into guns & let's face it. Some are just flat out uncomfortable.

I'll side track with this...I recently got a new gig in the oil patch & as I'm chatting with some of these guys out in the sticks at the sights, you would be amazed at how many don't even own one weapon to protect themselves. Some people just aren't into them like us & have never gotten wound up into the whole history of gun rights / confiscation / 2nd ammd / etc...kinda strange to me especially for the type of biz. Anyway, a lot of them heard about the OC & said they would feel weird seeing one. Uh, OK?? Otherwise, just as solid as you or I on most any other subject. Just not their deal.

So...I think businesses have a right to post a 30-07 if it makes them feel or if some of their customers feel the same way. The gun has stigma attached to it & there is nothing we can do. I can deal with this angle & as long as they don't have a 30-06 which tells me they feel guns are evil, I'm really OK even if I don't agree or understand the whole irrational stigma some seem to be prey to.

...or maybe I'm just getting soft. Heck, I haven't even seen any 30-07 signs & it's all a non issue for me so far??