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Originally posted by 30-30 View Post
And btw, don't take head shots. It's not a kill-or-miss shot. You can graze the skull, blow the jaw, put out an eye, etc. A double-lung shot will kill 100% dead 100% of the time, and the lungs are a much larger target than the brain...
I shoot all of my "meat" deer in the head because there is obviously less waste.
But, as you implied, less skilled shooters shouldn't try that.
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Originally posted by 30-30 View PostTo answer the initial question, I don't think there is a LEGAL (meaning centerfire) cartridge out there that would not kill a deer every time at 100 yards with a perfect double-lung shot.
That being said, a larger caliber is generally preferable because of a number of potential problems. (bullet hits bone, deer moves, you flinch, farther shot, unseen brush, wind, etc.) The larger caliber won't make up for improper shot placement, but it can be the difference between a lost deer and a found deer.
243 is a good all-around minimum, imo.
And btw, don't take head shots. It's not a kill-or-miss shot. You can graze the skull, blow the jaw, put out an eye, etc. A double-lung shot will kill 100% dead 100% of the time, and the lungs are a much larger target than the brain...
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Originally posted by Ducksmith View PostLet me clarify...large caliber handguns and rifles, 60+ lb draws, stout whiskey shots, strong cigars, and serving effectively in the military ain't just for men no more. You hunt like a man, only prettier
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I've shot a truck load of deer and axis with my cz 223 and not a single one has ran off. I have also never taken anything other than a high neck shot on any of them. I have a buddy that deer hunts strictly with a 22 hornet and he's killed a few 140+ bucks and countless does and he shoots them all behind the shoulder, while I wouldn't do it it is hard to argue with his results. If I hit the woods for something other than meat hunts I've got my 25-06, I've killed 3 deer and a hog with it and they all hit the dirt. Started with a 30-06 and never lost one, I've only killed one deer with a 270 and she dropped hard. I've shot a handful of deer with my lever 30-30 and they have all ran a little ways, but it was an easy track. There is not one perfect caliber, there are plenty of calibers that work well. What I don't understand is peoples need for some hot rod magnum caliber to shoot deer standing under a feeder at 100yds. I feel a new hunter needs to stay above a 243 as there are plenty of ways to mitigate recoil.
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The only deer I've lost as an adult, was a head shot with a .270. I'd made dozens of head shots over the years, but should not have taken that one. Haven't been familiar enough with a gun since to try another.
My wife has taken over my .30-06, since she killed her first deer with it last year. I'll probably be hunting with my old(1970's) Glenfield .30-30 with open sites this year. Every deer I've shot with it has never run more than 20 yds. Watched my mom drop deer with a .30-30 the whole time growing up.
I'd really like to take a deer with my great grandfathers .30 Carbine M1. I'd be the fourth generation to kill deer with it.
I grew up shooting .243 and .308. My father in law to this day shoots deer with a .243, and always has.
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Originally posted by bow4my2 View PostI just recently have gotten my feet wet with rifles for deer hunting and just out of curiosity without starting a battle,whats the smallest caliber u can effectively kill a deer with and not ear hole them....So a typical set up being 100yrd max.good conditions....etc..thx
22-250 is great.
Just keep shooting.Last edited by wtx223; 09-12-2014, 12:07 AM.
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