Anybody wanting to buy NFA toys using a trust

[ducks-and-bucks]

It should become big news again before it happens if it does..

[Mike D]

It should become big news again before it happens if it does..

I was told this will happen.

Had you heard anything about it before I posted this?

[BigTex.308]

What they fail to mention is its illegal for a felon to possess a weapon.
Period.
This is simply stripping law abiding citizens of their constitutional rights and will do nothing to criminals.

If you voted for Obama, YOU are part of the problem, not the solution.

Exactly.




Ike

[PSD Ryan]

Why is every method of buying firearms/accessories called a loophole?

[TexasDon]

all they can do is require everyone on the trust to submit fingerprints and background checks.

obama seems to think there are millions of felons buying guns thru trusts...

Im really getting to where i despise anyone who voted to reelect that POS...

Yessir

[blacksunshine]

all they can do is require everyone on the trust to submit fingerprints and background checks.

obama seems to think there are millions of felons buying guns thru trusts...

Im really getting to where i despise anyone who voted to reelect that POS...

you're just 'now' coming to that conclusion?

[blacksunshine]

Why is every method of buying firearms/accessories called a loophole?

makes the idiots that have no knowledge of the facts, believe in the obamaland bs

[Jason19]

My place of employment deals in class III items....cans, SBR's, etc...
Almost every employee came back from lunch with multiple money orders to put in for items they had been putting off or thought they might need in the future.
Looks like tannerite is on the hit list as well......

[philcam]

I spoke to my NFA Trust attorney today.

Actually his Executive Order didn't "ban" trusts. The legality of the trust is written into law and cannot be changed except by Congress, so you will still be able to buy NFA firearms with a trust. I don't think, legally, he can just say "no more trusts" since it is written into law. BUT when has he ever followed the law?

What the DOJ/ATF is proposing is making the trust's "responsible party" submit a photo and fingerprints along with the trust. The ATF would then notify the CLEO in your area that you (actually your trust) owns an NFA weapon.

The ATF has been wanting this rule change for a while now and is still "drafting" the exact proposal but here is what is stands at right now:

http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201210&RIN=1140-AA43

There is also a 90 day review period for the public's input after they finalize the proposed rule change, so most people who are currently in the pipeline for a tax stamp are ***probably*** safe.

Even if I'm required to submit my fingerprints and photo with my trust, I still think it's better than the individual route since having my family members included in the trust allows them to legally possess the firearm or other restricted item without me being present.

I'm more angry about his Executive Order banning the reimportation of military weapons. This could eliminate the CMP program. I guess all those gang bangers touting Garands and M1 Carbines were a serious threat......

[philcam]

Well, that didn't take long.

Here is the ATF's proposed rule changes. Among other things, for a trust they want fingerprint, photo and a CLEO sign off.

https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/inside-atf/2013/082913-wash-machine-guns-destructive-devices-and-certain-other-firearms.pdf

[TransPecos]

Has there ever been a documented crime with an NFA item that was not stolen? Just wondering.

[Coach W]

Has there ever been a documented crime with an NFA item that was not stolen? Just wondering.

Statistics and facts don't matter... These are emotional democrats. Their motto: "Guns are bad mkay... Guns are bad"

[assassinator]

I think the cop from LA, Dorner had some NFA items bought through a trust.

[Mike D]

I spoke to my NFA Trust attorney today.

Actually his Executive Order didn't "ban" trusts. The legality of the trust is written into law and cannot be changed except by Congress, so you will still be able to buy NFA firearms with a trust. I don't think, legally, he can just say "no more trusts" since it is written into law. BUT when has he ever followed the law?

What the DOJ/ATF is proposing is making the trust's "responsible party" submit a photo and fingerprints along with the trust. The ATF would then notify the CLEO in your area that you (actually your trust) owns an NFA weapon.

The ATF has been wanting this rule change for a while now and is still "drafting" the exact proposal but here is what is stands at right now:

http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201210&RIN=1140-AA43

There is also a 90 day review period for the public's input after they finalize the proposed rule change, so most people who are currently in the pipeline for a tax stamp are ***probably*** safe.

Even if I'm required to submit my fingerprints and photo with my trust, I still think it's better than the individual route since having my family members included in the trust allows them to legally possess the firearm or other restricted item without me being present.

I'm more angry about his Executive Order banning the reimportation of military weapons. This could eliminate the CMP program. I guess all those gang bangers touting Garands and M1 Carbines were a serious threat......

I don't believe anyone said trusts were going to be outlawed. Just that now you won't be able to bypass the fingerprints, photos and CLEO notification.

This is all really stupid anyway. They should just make a NICS check mandatory for firearms and remove suppressors completely from NFA. That's just stupid that they were ever put in there in the first place.

[TexasDon]

I think the cop from LA, Dorner had some NFA items bought through a trust.

Wouldn't doubt it, and I'm sure the law will exempt LE personnel