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    Originally posted by ttechdallas View Post
    This is an honest question. What is your / other's here criteria for defining the swamp, the establishment, other generalizations dismissing stuff with which you disagree.

    From a distance, it appears to be as simple as whoever is disagreeing with or critical of that which you believe / support.

    Just here alone, I’ve seen it expanded to include Fox, Hannity, every Republican not among the original 19. A couple of folks even seemed to want to throw Trump in that camp.

    That’s a legitimate observation, not a dig. If the ultimate goal is to win more people to a side you honestly believe in - which will ultimately be necessary for it to affect change - how is that possibly going to happen?

    This is a prime example of a rhino. It’s really obvious and clear and he obviously could not care less about inflation. Or work for that matter. These people don’t give a dam about us. Not a single dam. They sit around and vote on a bill here and a bill there. After an exhausting 2 hours of work they call lobbyist and donors and wine and dine while cutting deals and drawing in money. Well, most of them anyways.

    The establishment are most of those that are voting with him and all of the democrats. And most of the senate. And the directors of the 3 letter agencies, lawyers etc. they’ve been in washington for a long time and they know the game and status quo.

    Swamp would be DC itself. The entire city is corrupt. That’s where all the lobbyist and donors are. Or really close by in say, New York City. $$$

    If you follow the right people and you know who to listen to the evidence is presented. Emails, bank accounts, Twitter posts from the past even though they delete their account, photos, videos, yada, yada, yada. And if you’ve been paying attention long enough the pieces start falling in place and the picture starts to appear.

    As far as Trump, I’ve given up trying to figure him out. You never know what he thinks or knows on topics other than mostly talking points and repetitive topics. For instance, he isn’t going to weigh in much on the speaker and what he has said, I’m certain he has a reason. He knows how swampy McCarthy is. So I won’t speculate.

    Then you have the globalists. These are elites. The richest of the richest. Be it companies like blackrock or disgusting people like Clause Schwab. These people live above the law. Literally. They control world markets and have their agenda. Agenda 2030 if you want to look it up. These people launder so much money around the world it’s pathetic.

    And speaking of Schwab, I saw a photo and I won’t post it here of this weirdo walking down a beach. His attire was all white. He had a top hat with vail. A harness of sort around his chest (think bondage). Fish net stocking mid thigh. And his twig and berries stuffed in a crochets sock that was just big enough to be covered but it was obvious what was the twig and what were the berries. This photo was taken in 2022 and was posted by Roger Stone.





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        Originally posted by Benno View Post
        What i see happening is the people that want to ***** and complain prefer the status quo because that’s what others and the people smarter than them are doing. Others are relieved to finally see a group, albeit small standing for what they were voted in office to represent, actual government change. You want term limits? You want the border closed? You want this green new deal crap brought to stop? Stand with them with your voice and your vote. When the GOP calls, emails or mails soliciting donations let them know why you wil not be contributing. The last election proved this group is using our money to keep themselves and those they want with them in power and silence any true conservatives.

        Absolutely 100%. If you donate anything, donate it straight to the individuals campaign.


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          Originally posted by ttechdallas View Post
          I heard those answers and they've already been refuted because they are in the contract with America. He pressed her multiple times and she danced around them.

          It is clearly time to go the way of the many TBH'ers who have abandoned PACE for the small minded crazies such as yourself. Those who are so intolerant of anything other than what they want to believe, they've now convinced themselves that 90% of even Republicans are members of the swamp, aligned with Dems or even libtards.

          I do look forward to seeing how you and those just like you (not everyone who is still in PACE) manage to grow that 10% beyond fools like your magic 19 and who can actually accomplish any positive change whatsoever.

          But before you blow it all up, might be good to have a plan of exactly what you want it to be and how to do it. Which is precisely why it would be good if the 19 idiots you so love could actually provide a few specifics beyond anybody but McCarthy.

          Good luck.

          Did your rep vote for KM? If so, they represented your view/vote. Stop your bellyaching and move on.


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            Originally posted by ttechdallas View Post
            It is clearly time to go the way of the many TBH'ers who have abandoned PACE for the small minded crazies such as yourself. Those who are so intolerant of anything other than what they want to believe, they've now convinced themselves that 90% of even Republicans are members of the swamp, aligned with Dems or even libtards.

            I do look forward to seeing how you and those just like you (not everyone who is still in PACE) manage to grow that 10% beyond fools like your magic 19 and who can actually accomplish any positive change whatsoever.

            But before you blow it all up, might be good to have a plan of exactly what you want it to be and how to do it. Which is precisely why it would be good if the 19 idiots you so love could actually provide a few specifics beyond anybody but McCarthy.

            Good luck.
            So long, ttechdallas, we’ll miss you dearly.

            Over the years, you’ve blessed us unwashed rubes in PACE with your superior intellectual prowess, your cunning debate skills, and your savage wit. While we, as mentally deficient troglodytes, and completely unworthy of your attention, awaited your brilliant posts with the anticipation and glee of a child on Christmas Eve. That you’ve shared your keen insights, your deep understanding of communication dynamics, and your political savvy with us, underscores your genuine empathy for all of humanity. This forum, and if we’re being honest, the entire internet itself, has rarely seen a contributor with such willingness to educate us on our logical failings, our reasoning shortcomings, and our general ineptness. We will be forever in your debt for gracing us with your mere presence.
            You’ve made us better. You complete us.

            While your decision to leave us forever must have been difficult, we understand your need to move on and expand your horizons beyond what we, a mere ragtag band of terd-flinging monkeys, could possibly provide you. We wish you the best in all your future endeavors and completely understand if you never return to post here ever again. It will be our loss.

            Godspeed and good luck ttechdallas, we’ll miss you dearly indeed.

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              I just finished reading this thread, wow, just wow. If any “Republican” can say what’s happening right now is bad for the party needs to change parties.
              Some seem to think the bought and sold Representatives, on both sides of the isle, patting each other on the back and trading back door deals, is the norm. No! Hard debate and sticking to principals is what’s SUPPOSED to happen.
              The past two days are good for the party. And possibly, just maybe, we can get some leadership that’s not in the pockets of lobbyists.

              Ttechdallas and the like are afraid of losing instead of making real change. The system is broken, get behind the few Representatives who haven’t been corrupted by lobbyists.

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                Originally posted by Gherkin05 View Post
                I just finished reading this thread, wow, just wow. If any “Republican” can say what’s happening right now is bad for the party needs to change parties.
                Some seem to think the bought and sold Representatives, on both sides of the isle, patting each other on the back and trading back door deals, is the norm. No! Hard debate and sticking to principals is what’s SUPPOSED to happen.
                The past two days are good for the party. And possibly, just maybe, we can get some leadership that’s not in the pockets of lobbyists.

                Ttechdallas and the like are afraid of losing instead of making real change. The system is broken, get behind the few Representatives who haven’t been corrupted by lobbyists.
                This all day long^^^^^

                This is how it's supposed to work. I just listened to MTG on Walton & Johnson this morning. She made some great points. She also called the S O T H nothing more than a prom king
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                  The fool is the person that is hung up on tradition & procedure .

                  Business as usual for politicians is ALWAYS going to be a negative for the people.

                  Lol @ it weakens the party….

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                    Originally posted by Gherkin05 View Post
                    I just finished reading this thread, wow, just wow. If any “Republican” can say what’s happening right now is bad for the party needs to change parties.
                    Some seem to think the bought and sold Representatives, on both sides of the isle, patting each other on the back and trading back door deals, is the norm. No! Hard debate and sticking to principals is what’s SUPPOSED to happen.
                    The past two days are good for the party. And possibly, just maybe, we can get some leadership that’s not in the pockets of lobbyists.

                    Ttechdallas and the like are afraid of losing instead of making real change. The system is broken, get behind the few Representatives who haven’t been corrupted by lobbyists.
                    Yep. If anything this thread shows us the people that have a weak argument move to name calling and throwing tantrums, and "this isn't how it's supposed to work".

                    NO ****, and our border is non-existent, people live off federal welfare, the military industrial complex wants us in every war around the planet, and half the country thinks it's acceptable to murder unborn children. I agree, this is not how our country is supposed to work.

                    I am glad Jesse Kelly agrees with me. I pray for two more years of deadlock just like this. McCarthy is a 10 time loser. In what right mind would you ever bet every dollar you got on a 10 time loser?

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                      deal struck over night.......

                      somebody got their pockets lined

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                        Originally posted by MacDaddy67 View Post
                        deal struck over night.......

                        somebody got their pockets lined
                        not going to buy into that with these guys...........yet.
                        that's what they said the night before also.
                        if they start voting for any and everything, i probably will.
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                          Originally posted by MacDaddy67 View Post
                          deal struck over night.......

                          somebody got their pockets lined
                          Bigger than money…until the Epstein client list is released everyone in govt is dirty. Even the 19/20 have an agenda or are playing a part. It just. Happens that their part has potential for we the people.

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                            Originally posted by MacDaddy67 View Post
                            deal struck over night.......

                            somebody got their pockets lined

                            Where are you seeing this? Got a link?


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                              Originally posted by rtp View Post
                              Where are you seeing this? Got a link?


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                              After three days of failed votes on the House floor, a deal emerged late Thursday that could eventually put Kevin McCarthy over the top in the race to the House speaker.

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                                Hmm, the same people who called the AZ election early in 2020? What a $hock3r they are calling another one early.

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