New polling shows strong support for Texas to leave the union

[Johnny44]

If/when it comes up for a vote, I'll be voting for it.

And so will I…I promise

[lovemylegacy]

As long as we can leave Cruz and Cornyn in Washington

[tvc184]

I’ve spent the last 7 years working toward this goal. I can cite TX and US constitutional arguments, debunk ideas about the Civil War and the Supreme Court, and so on.

[ ]Did George Washington or Sam Houston ask for permission?[/b] We need a legitimate popular vote, generated through the standard legislative process, and then a declaration.

At least you got something right. Those two great leaders won independence from an unwilling government. Neither was done with an election. Both got what they wanted through war.

So it is true, they didn’t need permission. Neither got their desires without major wars however. Obviously you don’t need a vote to start a war.

We certainly know that Texas can unilaterally start a war. Who is going to fight it?

What Texas army is ready to repell the invaders or do you believe that all it takes is a letter to the American government that sorry, you are now only 49 states?

What will the American government response be? “Oh wait, we were going to try and stop you but an opinion debunked our beliefs. Have a nice life”.

[Jason Fry]

Typically folk that fall in this category are very low credentialed, educated, and have very little money to risk on a bet. Don’t get mad at me either, it is statistical.

So all bets are off, ain’t gonna happen captain.

Yeah, I probably should’ve gone ahead and got a PhD after my two masters.


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[PondPopper]

Got my vote......

Who's Coolio??

[Johnny44]

Yeah, I probably should’ve gone ahead and got a PhD after my two masters.


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Well, if thats the conclusion you came too, lets wager ?

[RiverRat1]

At least you got something right. Those two great leaders won independence from an unwilling government. Neither was done with an election. Both got what they wanted through war.

So it is true, they didn’t need permission. Neither got their desires without major wars however. Obviously you don’t need a vote to start a war.

We certainly know that Texas can unilaterally start a war. Who is going to fight it?

What Texas army is ready to repell the invaders or do you believe that all it takes is a letter to the American government that sorry, you are now only 49 states?

What will the American government response be? “Oh wait, we were going to try and stop you but an opinion debunked our beliefs. Have a nice life”.

IMO the mere act of Texas actually bringing the topic up in seriousness would send shockwaves. Vote on it and other States will try to do whatever they can. Make Washington pucker up if nothing else.

[rolylane6]

At least you got something right. Those two great leaders won independence from an unwilling government. Neither was done with an election. Both got what they wanted through war.



So it is true, they didn’t need permission. Neither got their desires without major wars however. Obviously you don’t need a vote to start a war.



We certainly know that Texas can unilaterally start a war. Who is going to fight it?



What Texas army is ready to repell the invaders or do you believe that all it takes is a letter to the American government that sorry, you are now only 49 states?



What will the American government response be? “Oh wait, we were going to try and stop you but an opinion debunked our beliefs. Have a nice life”.

Wouldn't Texas also be winning independence from an unwilling government?
We would need a popular vote to know Texas citizens are on board with secession.
I understand its a different time now than it was back then but Houston and Washington needed to know that their citizens were behind them. They didn't just decide for everyone else that they were going to war for independence. They had to have a vote of some kind or gather enough men to know they had a majority, right?
So how is this different? We need a vote to know enough people are on board with independence. We declare independence. The US government either agrees or they deny. Then we either give up and stay in the Union or go to war and try to win independence.
I'm not saying it's gonna happen. I'm just saying it seems pretty much the same as when we gained it from any other tyrannical government that didn't want to give it up.

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[Jason Fry]

That’s the way I see it. Popular support pushes the lege to call for a vote. Pending the outcome, the negotiations begin. Only a fool would want a war, but there are plenty of fools in DC. Still, US has supported dozens of independence movements in worldwide in the last 50 years. To go to war to prevent sovereignty would put the US on par with Russia and China.


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[tvc184]

Wouldn't Texas also be winning independence from an unwilling government?
We would need a popular vote to know Texas citizens are on board with secession.
I understand its a different time now than it was back then but Houston and Washington needed to know that their citizens were behind them. They didn't just decide for everyone else that they were going to war for independence. They had to have a vote of some kind or gather enough men to know they had a majority, right?
So how is this different? We need a vote to know enough people are on board with independence. We declare independence. The US government either agrees or they deny. Then we either give up and stay in the Union or go to war and try to win independence.
I'm not saying it's gonna happen. I'm just saying it seems pretty much the same as when we gained it from any other tyrannical government that didn't want to give it up.

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Let’s assume that such a vote is in favor of secession.

While it is an interesting topic playing “what if”, where do you go next?

Timeline: 2023, Texas votes to form its own country.

They send notice the the USA and that’s it?

Sean Connery’s role as Officer Malone in The Untouchables, he asked Kevin Costner/Elliot Ness on a couple of occasions, “What are you prepared to do!?”

Talking about votes and debunking the Supreme Court, etc. is just talk. Like I said, it is an interesting conversation.

But….. what are you prepared to do?

[tvc184]

Well, if thats the conclusion you came too, lets wager ?

Better get a firm time frame on that bet.

In the year 2043…… we are still waiting…….

[Jason Fry]

I’m clearly prepared to work toward peaceful separation by influencing public opinion in favor of self determination.

It’s all volunteer hours, but my boots are on the ground so to speak.


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[tvc184]

I’m clearly prepared to work toward peaceful separation by influencing public opinion in favor of self determination.

It’s all volunteer hours, but my boots are on the ground so to speak.


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But if the USA doesn’t grant that peaceful separation?

I am not really looking for an honest answer. Just a point to ponder.

[Smell the Glove]

Are you prepared for $7.00 gas?

[Muddy Bud]

Are you prepared for $7.00 gas?

Why would this be the case. Texas is the lead exporter of crude oil and LNG. If anything I believe we will benefit from our natural resources and less red tape to maneuver. The union would be our biggest client. If they slap an embargo on our fuels we will continue our business over seas. We can also capitalize on refining crude into fuel for Mexico with out government over reach.