Revisit 9/11 ?

[Dale Moser]

I'm not saying to believe in conspiracies.

But yes or no - Do you believe what the government tells you?

No. I believe in logic, and reality.


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[Dale Moser]

What theory?? No one has told me to buy into any theory.. People that really know me know better than that.. LOL.. I'm a skeptic about the narrative from the word go, Everytime.. I see what I see and dont take to being told that what I know I see isnt really what I think I see...Thats what they do..
Now if I could name just one time the government hasn't lied to us about any major incident in the last 40+ years maybe I would not be so skeptical but that ain't happened yet..
Common sense and critical thinking are all but non existent these days..

So after the events of that day, did you go home that night and say to yourself “those planes were not the reason those buildings fell down”?


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[oktx]

Forget it..

Don’t quit now! Your flimsy theory was doing so well! Crazy thinking metal could possibly cut metal at 500 mph! LMAO!

[RiverRat1]

No. I believe in logic, and reality.


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Nice dodge.

[PondPopper]

So after the events of that day, did you go home that night and say to yourself “those planes were not the reason those buildings fell down”?


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Actually I sure did.. For several reasons. Didn't you?

[PondPopper]

Don’t quit now! Your flimsy theory was doing so well! Crazy thinking metal could possibly cut metal at 500 mph! LMAO!

Does it matter which metal is traveling 500 mph?? Are the results the same either way??

You better sit down now. I know those questions made you light headed.. LMAO..
You can get back with me later..

[MadHatter]

So after the events of that day, did you go home that night and say to yourself “those planes were not the reason those buildings fell down”?


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It was actually that day, that people were already talking about the buildings being "bombed", in addition to the planes.
I don't remember hearing demolition in the beginning though, everyone just said bombed.

[OldRiverRat]

Ram04 posted this a week or so back but everyone should listen to this podcast

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1ugbn7cuab3mNgKbo81ajM

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[Dale Moser]

It was actually that day, that people were already talking about the buildings being "bombed", in addition to the planes.
I don't remember hearing demolition in the beginning though, everyone just said bombed.

Come on man!!! Most of those people think the world is flat and there are at least 7 genders!


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[Dale Moser]

Pack a lunch but remember by now you will only find what they want you to know. The rest has been deleted.. Much like what happened with the Vegas shooting.. Within 2-3 days many videos and eyewitness accounts were scrubbed forever.. And new info, fitting the narrative, back filled..

This is the basis, and the fallacy of every stupid conspiracy theory since the beginning of time. "It's all been removed, it was SCRUBBED!"... Did you go home that day and ask about building 7??? NOOO!! You didn't know it existed until some conspiracy theorist told you that it did!

[eastover53]

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I have been hearing these "straw stuck in telephone poles" stories for 50+ years and I have searched for hours for just one legit picture of grass or straw literally imbedded into a wooden pole or board and I am yet to find one.. Anything is possible I guess.

Seriously, no kidding around. If you spent hours trying to find a picture of straw in a telephone pole, you have a problem.

See a doctor. They have meds that can help.

[Dale Moser]

Lets talk about WT 1, and 2....and this moronic theory that flying a jet airliner with a full load of fuel into it, couldn't possibly make them fall in upon themselves.

Steel melts at....whatever number...

Jet fuel burns at ....whatever number..

Aluminum can't cut steel at ....whatever speed..



Take a 200ish story sky scraper, fly a 30ish ton jet liner into it about 30ish floors from the top, with a full payload of jet fuel....

Now these experts who claim to know what temp jet fuel burns at, and what aluminum will do to steel at such velocities, and how skyscrapers are constructed to stay standing, AND still move....and how all of these factors will interact together....ALL have an idea on what exactly happened??

Now specific to this thread, we are to allow that 4 or 5 bowhunters have so much knowledge on this subject that they know enough so as to prove to us all that what 6 0r 8 billion people watched on live TV...is not what really happened?

OK, I get it...it was all what they wanted us to see or think...such is the basis of every conspiracy theory.

I'll offer my opinion...

Oak logs burn at a moderate temperature of...let's say ~300ish degrees. Not bad at all for keeping your feet warm. Take a rotten one that's hollow, and stand it up on a fire (which I like to call a chimney log), and within minutes you'll have a yourself a "chimney" effect hot enough to melt beer cans in seconds...I don't know what temp it takes to melt aluminum into puddles, but it's more than oak logs burn at, on their own. They burn of course because we have concentrated that heat and added a "flue" effect where it sucks in oxygen and moves it quickly upward. If you were all paying attention in 6th grade science, or have ever operated a torch, you would know that temperature increases quickly as you add oxygen. Now if you were to take that "chimney log" and pour last nights fish grease down it, well you are in for a real campfire treat. Now regular old fish grease will put out a burning match, or even a decent small pile of burning kindlin. But if you add it to that chimney log, she will make a flame out the top that is not only HOT, but will sustain itself for some time (i have done this recently), and will suck in enough oxygen to fuel itself into enough heat to make the rebar fire poker glow enough to hammer it into a hook around the trailer hitch of my truck in about 10 strikes. Now I havn't found many of these hollow logs much over about 2' tall, but i have noticed that the 2' tall ones create a much more intese heat than the 1' tall ones. Now imagine if you had one.....say 7' tall, or 20' tall, with adequate heat and fuel!!!

Now imagine a skyscraper many dozens of stories tall, with multiple "chimneys" built into it's core, in the form of elevator shafts, with doors at incremental locations from top to bottom, itself made of non combustible materials, but with air inlets all the way up, and an outlet at the top. Then wrap the whole thing in an insulative outer shell (glass), and pack the whole thing full of solid fuel (furniture/paper/carpet/etc) and oxygen.

Now our fathers taught us to build the fire from the bottom up, but we didn't have the luxury of the structure described above. But just imagine if we did...some way to build that structure into a potential bonfire. Now add.....3? 4? 12? gallons of diesel fuel very close to the center of it, and 3/4 of the way up.....with instant ignition. She'd smoke for a bit, but it wouldn' be long before it was SCARY HOT.

If you can imagine such a scenario on a scale the size of WT1 and 2, with tens of thousands of pounds of jet fuel, and still cant figure out for yourself how steel can fail, causing the structure to fail from the inside out....then you hanvn't been paying enough attention at deer camp, in metal shop, watching dirty jobs.... or at church for that matter.

You don't have to melt steel to make it fail, and you don't have to melt a whole structure to make it fall if it was designed for each piece to depend on the next piece for its structural soundness....and by the way...that's how those structures are built.


You can poison your heads with stupid theories about the who or why until you ruin your whole lives, and I've got my own theories on that.... But the idea that those planes didn't take down those buildings is nothing short of moronic.

[Big Lee]

2. Things;

1. DM, very well said. However you sparked a memory of my workbook soles melting off near a camp fire. This was after I took a "Keystone" nap

2. RR, to answer your question. Well of course the gvt actively lies to us. It's to keep us "Safe" remember? They are masterminds at, "Oh wow guys look over here" meanwhile they are grabbing our goods. Goods meaning freedom.

[RiverRat1]

Does it matter which metal is traveling 500 mph?? Are the results the same either way??

You better sit down now. I know those questions made you light headed.. LMAO..
You can get back with me later..

Dude - It's like Van **** hitting those bricks that are not moving. Since his hand is going over 500mph(obviously) the bricks break instead of his hand

This is the basis, and the fallacy of every stupid conspiracy theory since the beginning of time. "It's all been removed, it was SCRUBBED!"... Did you go home that day and ask about building 7??? NOOO!! You didn't know it existed until some conspiracy theorist told you that it did!

I was actually watching close after the Vegas shooting and at least a few things were disappearing. I remember because I never had seen that happen before.

[RiverRat1]

2. Things;

1. DM, very well said. However you sparked a memory of my workbook soles melting off near a camp fire. This was after I took a "Keystone" nap

2. RR, to answer your question. Well of course the gvt actively lies to us. It's to keep us "Safe" remember? They are masterminds at, "Oh wow guys look over here" meanwhile they are grabbing our goods. Goods meaning freedom.

So the issue becomes peoples want or need to be comfortable or have peace in their minds. When you see an event you must ASAP figure out, on your own what's going on. If you wait until the government tells you what happened you'll fall for it.

Take the Vegas shooting as an example since this is the one I watched close from the start. Right after it happened I asked 3-4 questions on TBH. Basic premise was to question and outline what-ifs.
Keep in mind we will never know what happened in Vegas or pretty much any other huge event. All you can do is figure out how much they're lying.

1. It's Vegas. If the video cameras in casino are somehow not working we will know something is very fishy.
2. If they kill the shooter - Add a little bit of fishy
3. If the letter or note seen on the table in a picture isn't shown to us - add a lot of fishy.
There were a few other things brought up far before we had "answers". So ask yourself right away What are the odds if all 3 of these end up fishy? Then see how it plays out.

Same for J Epstein. A lot of people had the foresight to say they'd watch him or pay for a live webcam etc... And why was he not questioned?

So I think most people know he didn't kill himself. But if no one bothered to say things before it happened I bet most would believe what they were told.