Revisit 9/11 ?

[Hooverfb]

I dont necessarily think our full administration was behind it all or anything. However given that something like that potentially played out with backing from multiple terror networks, it's not improbable that there was some intelligence groups involved. I wouldnt doubt that thered be a small number of folks that could be in the right places to swing events the right way for themselves. More like finding someone's wallet rather than stealing their wallet from their pocket.

[flywise]

All this conspiracy thinking is just like Kennedy's assassination. I'm still in the shooter close to the grassy knoll crowd myself.

No way that was a one shooter job

[PondPopper]

A lot of 9/11 makes no sense. I can’t fathom that elected officials would bring destruction to their own people and economy, but it is possible and not all the puzzle pieces match extreme Islam, but than again many do.

I just finished Jack Carr’s novel, The Devil’s Hand, and while 9/11 is t the story line it is is the backdrop. At the end of the book after the story concludes, he delves into the 9/11 commissions report. He raises some intriguing questions. On 9/10 2 of the terrorist journeyed from Boston to Portland, ME. Why they went to Portland has never been discovered or divulged at least. He seems to think they met with someone who has not been officially identified. He also presses the question of what was Iran’s role. It’s never been ruled out or disproven that Iran did not sanction the events. There are Iranian gov docs from May 2011 that have been recovered that seem to indicate green lighting some sort of an operation, but it vague and does not specify what the operation is.

Maybe that is my red, white and blue lenses shading my view. How 19 hijackers boarded 4 flights with box cutters without so much as a notation is mind boggling. The building 7 collapse. The ability of the hijackers to fly commercial jets with relative precision are all valid questions that cast doubt on the official narrative.

But to answer the question directly our government has been lying to us since shortly after ww2, so there is no doubt they are capable. Arguably our own cia brought cocaine to the US setting off the drug lust we have now and creating the cartels that fuel it. WMD’s, JFK, the Steele dossier… you get the drift.

I don’t trust our government. Forces both internal and external are working to reshape and destroy the US as we know it.

I cant imagine elected officials(law makers)allowing millions of innocent babies to be murdered every year but they do... Killing the innocent mean nothing to these people and if you ever believe differently then you are only fooling yourself..

[Death from Above]

There is nothing wrong with asking questions...if you feel the need to pushback on the asking of questions, then your mindset is part of why were are in the situation we are in now.

[LWC]

I cant imagine elected officials(law makers)allowing millions of innocent babies to be murdered every year but they do... Killing the innocent mean nothing to these people and if you ever believe differently then you are only fooling yourself..

I couldn't have imagined our elected govt officials bringing in actors and accusing our Scotus nominee of gang rapes because he wrote that he drank beer in his yearbook. But it dang sure happened.

[Playa]

I cant imagine elected officials(law makers)allowing millions of innocent babies to be murdered every year but they do... Killing the innocent mean nothing to these people and if you ever believe differently then you are only fooling yourself..

Oh that’s not hard to fathom. In and amongst all the social programs and welfare is a tipping point, they know that. Abortion is a way to curb population growth with the bonus that tends to weed out those that won’t contribute. It’s just math to them

[PondPopper]

I couldn't have imagined our elected govt officials bringing in actors and accusing our Scotus nominee of gang rapes because he wrote that he drank beer in his yearbook. But it dang sure happened.

Yep and what you describe is childs play compared to what some of these career criminals in DC are capable of on any given day... The Clintons are a prime example.

[Draco]

I couldn't have imagined our elected govt officials bringing in actors and accusing our Scotus nominee of gang rapes because he wrote that he drank beer in his yearbook. But it dang sure happened.

Or trying to bring down a sitting president with lies and made up documents and having the FBI, JD, CIA and members of congress involved to help get it done.

[jer_james]

I believe it was a horrible terrorist attack.

You believe what you wish to believe. Every theory has cracks and holes. The jet fuel and molten junk has been debunked 100x, but people still mention it within the conspiracy. Frustrating, but is what it is at this point.

[jshouse]

https://www.911research.wtc7.net/~ni...are/fires.html

Other Skyscraper Fires
Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

One Meridian Plaza fire
The One Meridian Plaza fire
Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.

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The One Meridian Plaza Fire
One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. 1 2 3 It was later described by Philadelphia officials as "the most significant fire in this century".

The fire caused window breakage, cracking of granite, and failures of spandrel panel connections. 4 Despite the severity and duration of the fire, as evidenced by the damage the building sustained, no part of the building collapsed.

First Interstate Bank fire
The First Interstate Bank fire
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The First Interstate Bank Fire
The First Interstate Bank Building is a 62-story skyscraper in Los Angeles that suffered the worst high-rise fire in the city's history. From the late evening of May 4, 1988 through the early morning of the next day, 64 fire companies battled the blaze, which lasted for 3 1/2 hours. The fire caused extensive window breakage, which complicated firefighting efforts. Large flames jutted out of the building during the blaze. Firefighting efforts resulted in massive water damage to floors below the fire, and the fire gutted offices from the 12th to the 16th floor, and caused extensive smoke damage to floors above. The fire caused an estimated $200 million in direct property loss. 5

A report by Iklim Ltd. describes the structural damage from the fire:

In spite of the total burnout of four and a half floors, there was no damage to the main structural members and only minor damage to one secondary beam and a small number of floor pans. 6
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The 1 New York Plaza Fire
close-up of First Interstate fire
Close-up of the First Interstate Bank fire
Photo: New York Board of Underwriters
1 New York Plaza is a 50-story office tower less than a mile from the World Trade Center site. It suffered a severe fire and explosion on August 5, 1970. The fire started around 6 PM, and burned for more than 6 hours. 7

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Caracas Tower Fire
The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.

Lax enforcement of fire codes in Venezuela was blamed for the malfunctioning of water pumps and a lack of fire extinguishers inside of the building. Because the building was empty when the fire broke out, no civilians were killed or injured. 8

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The Windsor Building Fire
Windsor fire
The Windsor Building fire
A more recent case of a severe high-rise fire is the one that destroyed the Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain on February 12, 2005. The Windsor fire was more severe than any of the fires described above, and the incident has been widely publicized, with comparisons to the fires in the three World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11/01. However, the Windsor Building, unlike all the buildings mentioned above, was framed in steel-reinforced concrete rather than steel. Hence it is described on a separate page, which notes differences between the response of these different types of structures to fires. 9

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The Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire
mandarin fire
The Hotel Mandarin Oriental blazes
The most recent example of a spectacular skyscraper fire was the burning of the Hotel Mandarin Oriental starting on February 9, 2009. The nearly completed 520-foot-tall skyscraper in Beijing caught fire around 8:00 pm, was engulfed within 20 minutes, and burned for at least 3 hours until midnight. Despite the fact that the fire extended across all of the floors for a period of time and burned out of control for hours, no large portion of the structure collapsed.

It is tempting to draw parallels between this spectacle and the destruction of WTC 1, 2, and 7 because of the stark opposites: on 9/11/01, three skyscrapers were transformed into piles of rubble primarily as a consequence, supposedly, of fires -- fires spanning small fractions of each building; and on 2/09/09, a skyscraper remained intact after burning like a torch for hours. However such parallels may be limited by major structural differences between the buildings in the two cases -- one being that the Hotel Mandarin Oriental, designed by the famous Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas, had a full-height interior atrium, and thus had the hollowness that the 9-11 Commission deceptively attempted to attribute to the Twin Towers. 10

Perhaps the relevance of the Mandarin fire to the events of 9/11/2001 is more symbolic than forensic. The Mandarin fire is examined more fully here.

does the 200,000lb jetliner being added to the top of the skyscraper not make it a little more apt to collapse?

[LWC]

does the 200,000lb jetliner being added to the top of the skyscraper not make it a little more apt to collapse?

It? Don't you mean them? 3 collapsed on 9/11. Only 2 had planes in them. Building 7 must have just gotten "lucky".

[jshouse]

It? Don't you mean them? 3 collapsed on 9/11. Only 2 had planes in them. Building 7 must have just gotten "lucky".

i was talking about 1 and 2 and the argument we see every time that fire couldnt have been the only thing to bring them down. i have never looked in to tower 7 until this thread. it was falling debris and a column failure from what i read.

[LWC]

i was talking about 1 and 2 and the argument we see every time that fire couldnt have been the only thing to bring them down. i have never looked in to tower 7 until this thread. it was falling debris and a column failure from what i read.

I'll be honest. I hadn't heard about tower 7 until the last couple years. Pretty amazing that as much as I've seen/heard about 9/11 over 20 years that it was hardly ever mentioned. 50 story building collapsed due to falling debris and it it was pretty much just glossed over. Probably just overlooked

[PondPopper]

I'll be honest. I hadn't heard about tower 7 until the last couple years. Pretty amazing that as much as I've seen/heard about 9/11 over 20 years that it was hardly ever mentioned. 50 story building collapsed due to falling debris and it it was pretty much just glossed over. Probably just overlooked

Digging into the Tower 7 collapse will just lead you further away from the set narrative. Enter with caution.. I'm done. I'm convinced.

[CEO]

The real kicker with Tower 7, is if it was a controlled demolition, the G men would've had a cover story ready to go before the collapse. Since there was no story, maybe that proves it did actually fall due to debris and a column.

Or that's just what they want us to think and if there was a story for each building it would be too suspicious and 7 was used as the token outlier to draw suspicion from the twin towers.