So y’all are not gonna talk about this?

[ram04]

ram04

What's your number? 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? 600 million? All of South Texas would be a holding facility. We do not need more people. I can agree on some of the stuff you have been saying but this would be madness and there would be no Texas or USA. Those thousands should be marching on their own government not across our border. Immigration should not be easy and that is how it is almost everywhere else in the World. For good reason too.

See, those are great points and I’ll have to rethink my stance for while. I’m not afraid to say I may have headed into the wrong direction on something, that’s why I like talking things through. As it stands, while I ponder, no matter how many come it doesn’t matter, if we do a good job enforcing our constitution and our rule of law what would more people hurt (other than crowding the place up). I will admit I do give people the benefit of doubt on face value that they are decent and are here to work and contribute. I don’t think they are all drug dealers looking to leach the system, so that’s the angle I start from. Thanks east for giving me something to think about.

[ram04]

So you wanna out-liberal the liberals?

No I just think anyone deserves the right to freedom and prosperity. Hell we just fought a 20 year war trying to give people in the Middle East freedom and prosperity lol if it was that important that we spent trillions for those poor folks why wouldn’t we give it to the people at our border. Are we really trying beacon of hope for the world or not?

[ram04]

ram04

What's your number? 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? 600 million? All of South Texas would be a holding facility. We do not need more people. I can agree on some of the stuff you have been saying but this would be madness and there would be no Texas or USA. Those thousands should be marching on their own government not across our border. Immigration should not be easy and that is how it is almost everywhere else in the World. For good reason too.

I don’t necessarily have a number, nor do I think the holding facility has to be in one place, what I keep coming back to is why would we keep our opportunities from someone from another country. I’m thinking if someone is willing to trek across a country to come here then I would assume they are coming here to get to work and increase their own standard of living there by increasing the productivity to our economy one new person at a time. I wouldn’t worry about 10 million, 20 million or 100 million people, that’s kind of hyperbolic. Just think, inner cities of our own country are in shambles and those people are not even moving zip codes away to find work let alone different countries. I guess I’m not scared of losing America if we take in more people, especially if we are the ones opening the doors.

[justletmein]

You see the issue with your entire point of view is people can't just decide they don't like their country so they'll go sneak across the border of another one illegally. When their first interaction here is breaking our laws after taking plane flights into Mexico and buses up to the border that's getting off on the wrong foot. We have a perfectly legitimate legal immigration system here, and tons of people use it for all the reasons you just laid out. Allowing anyone who crosses illegally to stay is just flat stupid. You're taking all the arguments for legal immigration and applying them to illegal immigration and that's ridiculous.

[iamntxhunter]

Ram apply your logic and reasoning but scale it down to your neighborhood and then do it again to your own home. Do you see where this gets to.
Do you honestly want all of these illegal aliens in your home.
Again the constitution is for a moral and just society and freedom isn't free nor should entry into America be easy.
Anything worth having shouldn't be easy and if you think that these people would still want to come here without our free social programs and had to be sponsored, you would only get a few out of them.

Are you willing to take 3 males into your home?

Or how about every person that wants to make it easy for immigrants to come to America they must take in 5 males minimum and sponsor them for 3 years but ultimately be financially responsible for them for 10 years, with zero social programs.

[ram04]

You see the issue with your entire point of view is people can't just decide they don't like their country so they'll go sneak across the border of another one illegally. When their first interaction here is breaking our laws after taking plane flights into Mexico and buses up to the border that's getting off on the wrong foot. We have a perfectly legitimate legal immigration system here, and tons of people use it for all the reasons you just laid out. Allowing anyone who crosses illegally to stay is just flat stupid. You're taking all the arguments for legal immigration and applying them to illegal immigration and that's ridiculous.

Look I get the argument, you have to vet the people, you have to have a way to get here. We need more resources to expedite the process to get them in here because they aren’t going to stop coming. Let them know we welcome them and look forward to their work, just saying there is a process get in line and wait gives the dems the chance to overwhelm your system. This all revolves around the idea you want immigrants, if you don’t then I can see the argument, it’s illegal, get in line and wait. Our countries population declined for the first time last year ever, if that stays the course our kids will have a terrible time trying to keep up their standard of living with businesses failing from lack of workers and an over burdened system.

[ram04]

[QUOTE=iamntxhunter;15829373]Ram apply your logic and reasoning but scale it down to your neighborhood and then do it again to your own home. Do you see where this gets to.
Do you honestly want all of these illegal aliens in your home.
Again the constitution is for a moral and just society and freedom isn't free nor should entry into America be easy.
Anything worth having shouldn't be easy and if you think that these people would still want to come here without our free social programs and had to be sponsored, you would only get a few out of them.

Are you willing to take 3 males into your home?

Or how about every person that wants to make it easy for immigrants to come to America they must take in 5 males minimum and sponsor them for 3 years but ultimately be financially responsible for them for 10 years, with zero social programs.[/

Do you realize your literally saying these people aren’t capable of making their own life that they need pampers. People who picked up their whole life and trekked across a country, to give their family a better life, you realize how demeaning that is? We aren’t talking about puppies dude.

[manwitaplan]

I don’t necessarily have a number, nor do I think the holding facility has to be in one place, what I keep coming back to is why would we keep our opportunities from someone from another country. I’m thinking if someone is willing to trek across a country to come here then I would assume they are coming here to get to work and increase their own standard of living there by increasing the productivity to our economy one new person at a time. I wouldn’t worry about 10 million, 20 million or 100 million people, that’s kind of hyperbolic. Just think, inner cities of our own country are in shambles and those people are not even moving zip codes away to find work let alone different countries. I guess I’m not scared of losing America if we take in more people, especially if we are the ones opening the doors.

This whole text is crazy reading it and rereading it. You or the government cannot tell me how many illegals we have here now. Theses most of the time are not professionals or skilled labor. We have work visas and college visas out the wazoo for other countries to come and work here.

Your last sentence completely shows who you are. YOU are not afraid to lose AMERICA………. What are you even saying……. This is the differentiation between me and YOU. I am afraid of losing AMERICA.

You and your libertarian views of no war, and we should not be in other countries trying to offer democracy but in the same breath you want open borders here for a better life and democracy. Maddening.


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[ram04]

I didn’t say i want to lose America or think we will, I’m saying I don’t think America changes allowing more people to come in, it’s still America lol. If that’s how you read that I apologize, that’s not what I meant, trust me.

[justletmein]

Look I get the argument, you have to vet the people, you have to have a way to get here. We need more resources to expedite the process to get them in here because they aren’t going to stop coming. Let them know we welcome them and look forward to their work, just saying there is a process get in line and wait gives the dems the chance to overwhelm your system. This all revolves around the idea you want immigrants, if you don’t then I can see the argument, it’s illegal, get in line and wait. Our countries population declined for the first time last year ever, if that stays the course our kids will have a terrible time trying to keep up their standard of living with businesses failing from lack of workers and an over burdened system.

No, we need more resources to keep them out and prosecute them for breaking the law. Anyone worth having will go through the normal already established legal process and real refugees like some Afgans now can apply for asylum. We don't just take whomever wants to sneak in, that's just stupid and if you can't see that you're lost or trolling.

[iamntxhunter]

[quote=ram04;15829409]

Ram apply your logic and reasoning but scale it down to your neighborhood and then do it again to your own home. Do you see where this gets to.

Do you honestly want all of these illegal aliens in your home.

Again the constitution is for a moral and just society and freedom isn't free nor should entry into America be easy.

Anything worth having shouldn't be easy and if you think that these people would still want to come here without our free social programs and had to be sponsored, you would only get a few out of them.



Are you willing to take 3 males into your home?



Or how about every person that wants to make it easy for immigrants to come to America they must take in 5 males minimum and sponsor them for 3 years but ultimately be financially responsible for them for 10 years, with zero social programs.[/



Do you realize your literally saying these people aren’t capable of making their own life that they need pampers. People who picked up their whole life and trekked across a country, to give their family a better life, you realize how demeaning that is? We aren’t talking about puppies dude.

There you go, deflect.

[unclefish]

Sometimes its ok to stop arguing with an idiotic point of view and simply let them be wrong.

[glen]

Ram if you have not figured out yet- Places need help because the Government is paying too much for too long and these small businesses can’t pay as much as the Gov. Maybe you dont get out muchbor know anyone that owns a business. Or maybe you dont have observation skills

[ram04]

I have spent enough time with this and it was fun and hopefully my last post lol. On immigration my motivation is to ensure we have sufficient workers to maintain our countries GDP, we should make immigration as easy as possible. Your only as strong as your countries wealth and its ability to maintain its economy. No wealth no power. I know about government spending crowding out private enterprises lol them screwing up their country gives us an opportunity to take in their workers to build our own wealth. If y’all want to close the gates and die a slow death that’s cool, I just don’t think it’s a good idea. Good luck this bow season, I hope everyone shoots a magnum.

[rolylane6]

Neither, i understand exactly what they are doing. They are encouraging the flood of people to come, overwhelming our system. Of course, everyone can see that. What i'm saying is why let them be the ones to let them in? We live in the state that they are coming to, why not we set the narrative? We need to be the ones making it easier to come here not screaming kick them out. Why don't we create the holding facilities that are more comfortable, send more people to the border to help them become citizens quicker, be the ones making it easier. Beat the dems at their own game, be the ones to give them freedom and win the vote. Sitting around saying "Go through the right way" with no upgrades to make the "right way" easier, doesn't make sense. Why would we give the left the free votes when they are coming to our state and we control how they come in. The questions becomes, do ya'll really want them?

We don't control that. Borders are federal

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