BP nolonger cares if you have illegals coming through...

[OldRiverRat]

One question. If they are so productive why haven’t they improved the country they are leaving?

Don’t you know, You can’t ask that question!

But I’ll tell you the answer to their problems lies in their own country not in the USA.


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[OldRiverRat]

No Question’ Cartel Activity Is Spilling Across US-Mexico Border: FBI Director
BY TOM OZIMEK
June 12, 2021 Updated: June 12, 2021
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FBI Director Christopher Wray told lawmakers at a hearing Friday that the agency has noted “quite a number” of instances of individuals deeply indebted to Mexican criminal organizations entering the United States, adding that there’s “no question” cartel activity is spilling over the border.

Wray made the remarks at a hearing before the House Judiciary Committee, in response to a question by Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.), who asked about the link between cartel activity and the flow of illegal immigrants across the southern border.

“Is it true that many of the foreign nationals who are being trafficked across our border often arrive here deeply indebted to the Mexican crime cartels?” McClintock asked.

“Certainly, we have seen quite a number of such instances, absolutely,” Wray replied.

McClintock asked if those debts were collected on this side of the border through “indentured servitude.”

“In some cases, definitely,” Wray responded. “We have a number of human trafficking task forces, as well as working on certain taskforces with [the Department of Homeland Security] to try to address that issue.”

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FBI Director Christopher Wray testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Capitol Hill, in Washington, on March 2, 2021. (Mandel Ngan-Pool/Getty Images)
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In May, DHS officials warned that Mexico’s fastest-rising drug cartel, the Jalisco New Generation Cartel, or CJNG, was trying to gain a foothold in the Seattle area and the Pacific Northwest.

Wray added that, “there’s no question that the cartel activity on the other side of the border is spilling over in all sorts of ways and you just put your finger directly on one that is extremely concerning to us all,” referring to people indebted to cartels being forced into what amounts to modern-day slavery.

McClintock concluded that “basically, 170-plus years after the Thirteenth Amendment have slavery burgeoning in this country as a result of these policies,” presumably referring to the Biden administration’s policies on immigration.

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It’s a “modern form of slavery,” Wray said, adding, “it’s almost Medieval.”

Republicans have blamed the border surge on the Biden administration’s rolling back of some Trump-era policies and on messaging that they say is being interpreted by would-be migrants and human traffickers as encouraging illegal crossings.

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Kinney County Constable Steve Gallegos and Kinney County Sheriff’s deputies arrest a smuggler and seven illegal aliens from Guatemala near Brackettville, Texas, on May 25, 2021. (Charlotte Cuthbertson/The Epoch Times)
McClintock asked whether the cartels have gang affiliates who extract debts on this side of the border.

“It varies from case to case,” Wray said. “Different cartels have affiliations with different sorts of gangs here in the United States,” adding that the problem is not confined to labor-related indentured servitude but also takes the form of sex trafficking.

A Texas Democrat who has been critical of the White House’s handling of the border crisis on Thursday said in an interview on MSNBC that, “the incentives are there for smugglers to keep trying to get people over here.”

“We’ve got to enforce the law,” Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) said. “Deport people that don’t have a right to be here.”

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Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) gives an interview in Laredo, Texas, on Oct. 9, 2019. (Veronica Cardenas/Reuters)
Cuellar made the remarks in response to a request to comment on a recent U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CPB) report that the agency had apprehended 180,034 individuals illegally entering the United States in May, the highest monthly tally in 21 years.

The lawmaker also reiterated a point he made in earlier interviews that both “push” and “pull” factors need to be addressed to resolve the problem.

The pull factors refer to border and immigration policies, which if they are lax, tend to encourage illegal immigration. The push factors refer to conditions such as crime, corruption, and lack of economic opportunity, that drive people in Central America from their homes.

Cuellar has said in previous interviews that Democrats tend to focus on the push factors, often talking about addressing the “root causes” of migration, while Republicans typically concentrate on the pull factors, such as tightening border security and tougher messaging on illegal immigration.

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[Ætheling]

human sex trafficking is the current hot money making narcotic...I hope you are correct & it's getting talked about. These unaccompanied children are being cycled / abandoned / bussed out to who knows where with no family & the msm is complicit. There is no verification of a child to the group. This admin is perpetuating it with policy & why knee pads won't visit the area. It is orchestrated & no different than the deep state involvement with the drug trade. To suggest or even mention anything that this border situation is somehow in any way positive or otherwise is abhorrent & in need of a throat punch by a frustrated hamstrung BP agent.

Its been around for a bit. I was with CBP Field Ops on the Houston Ship Channel 07-08. Even then the Fed respected Houston’s sanctuary policy and if you brought them in you would find yourself in all kinds of hotwater and investigations. Bush was no saint either. It was bad then but got better. Now its balls to the wall out of control. There is no dreamy romantic reality of human trafficking. The libs think they are helping them. They are hurting them. Typical, road to hell bleeding hearts.

[Bill]

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[gemini2759]

One question. If they are so productive why haven’t they improved the country they are leaving?

I've been wondering this for years. They should fix their own country instead of coming over and ruining ours. I blame Ted Turner for everything happening now. The 24 hour news cycle and internet created the great divide we're seeing now.

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[ram04]

Put down the rose colored glasses. If we let anyone and everyone come here "for a better life" we'll end up losing what makes America great. This country was built on hard work, assimilation, and a desire to better oneself. Now we've decided that's too hard, so just come on in and leech off of those that want to be productive. Walling ourselves in is not the answer, but being the teet for the world's problems to suck on isn't either.

You should get to know some people without pre-conceived notions of what you think they are here for. This country was built on people doing whatever it takes to get here for the freedom this country has to be whatever they want. Americans naturally born here don’t have a monopoly on escaping a ****ty life to better themselves.

Like I said, if we don’t allow more people to come here and put them to work, the American way of life will die off slowly but surely. Remember if the population doesn’t continue to have enough children to replace the old we run out of money and workers over time, a nation without money and workers is a nation that cannot defend itself. So instead of thinking all immigrants are criminals, put them on the tax roll and get them a job. Your SS payments and pensions depend on it.

[OldRiverRat]

You should get to know some people without pre-conceived notions of what you think they are here for. This country was built on people doing whatever it takes to get here for the freedom this country has to be whatever they want. Americans naturally born here don’t have a monopoly on escaping a ****ty life to better themselves.

Like I said, if we don’t allow more people to come here and put them to work, the American way of life will die off slowly but surely. Remember if the population doesn’t continue to have enough children to replace the old we run out of money and workers over time, a nation without money and workers is a nation that cannot defend itself. So instead of thinking all immigrants are criminals, put them on the tax roll and get them a job. Your SS payments and pensions depend on it.

this is such bs. you have no idea what you are talking about. naturally born Americans aren't trying to escape anything so you comment doesn't even make sense. the only thing illegals have to do with our ss payments is that the govt is using that money to support them and other welfare systems which has completely depleted the funds. The amount of money that the us govt is spending on illegal aliens would go a long way towards funding American Citizens social security among other things.

[c3products20]

this is such bs. you have no idea what you are talking about. naturally born Americans aren't trying to escape anything so you comment doesn't even make sense. the only thing illegals have to do with our ss payments is that the govt is using that money to support them and other welfare systems which has completely depleted the funds. The amount of money that the us govt is spending on illegal aliens would go a long way towards funding American Citizens social security among other things.

Would you say that our economy is dependant on the cheap labor provided by "illegals aliens"? I don't know a whole lot of people who would do the same job(s) as a lot of these "illegals" do for 50%-75% more pay. Definitely not many people would do the same job(s) for the same pay. If you go to these sub divisions blowing up all over Texas, which are contributing a large portion of revenue increase were seeing in Texas, you see it least 70%-75% of the guys doing all the work are mexican or south american. Maybe as much as 85%!!! I don't know how many of them are illegal but I would venture to say that a lot of them are.

[OldRiverRat]

Would you say that our economy is dependant on the cheap labor provided by "illegals aliens"? I don't know a whole lot of people who would do the same job(s) as a lot of these "illegals" do for 50%-75% more pay. Definitely not many people would do the same job(s) for the same pay. If you go to these sub divisions blowing up all over Texas, which are contributing a large portion of revenue increase were seeing in Texas, you see it least 70%-75% of the guys doing all the work are mexican or south american. Maybe as much as 85%!!! I don't know how many of them are illegal but I would venture to say that a lot of them are.

no i wouldn't say our economy is dependent on cheap labor. our economy simply likes cheap labor. there is a big difference. Do you honestly belief American and American's can't survive without Illegals?

you just described the core problem which is
1. they are illegal and should never be here
2. they are undercutting the american worker

if those guys weren't here then those jobs would pay a sustainable level of pay which would naturally generate more interest in doing those jobs. supply and demand. cut the supply of cheap workers and the demand for that trade goes up. we have no interest in teaching kids trades these days because there is a cheaper option. it's all about money. the initial up front cost would be more but in the long run the country would save money and be better off. do we really want to be dependent on foreign workers? is the best long term solution to continue this insane policy or fix it?

[c3products20]

no i wouldn't say our economy is dependent on cheap labor. our economy simply likes cheap labor. there is a big difference. Do you honestly belief American and American's can't survive without Illegals?



you just described the core problem which is

1. they are illegal and should never be here

2. they are undercutting the american worker



if those guys weren't here then those jobs would pay a sustainable level of pay which would naturally generate more interest in doing those jobs. supply and demand. cut the supply of cheap workers and the demand for that trade goes up. we have no interest in teaching kids trades these days because there is a cheaper option. it's all about money. the initial up front cost would be more but in the long run the country would save money and be better off. do we really want to be dependent on foreign workers? is the best long term solution to continue this insane policy or fix it?

If they weren't here those houses would probably cost double what they do now... I don't know the exact amount but it would be alot! The answer to your argument is very simple. Look at what's going on now. Most American's are LAZY!!!!! They would rather sit home and get a check from the government instead of work. It's happening all across the U.S. right now..... I honestly don't think many americans would do a lot of the jobs these "illegals" are doing. I own/run a business and I can promise you I have way more mexican or south american people wanting to work than "white americans". Said truth is a bunch of the "white americans" that come looking for a job, that isn't a manager type role, are on drugs have been on drugs or have a record for being arrested. A few of them turn out to be ok but a majority want something for nothing and they want to work whenever they want to work but expect me to pay them for a full day every day.

[dphillips62]

If they weren't here those houses would probably cost double what they do now... I don't know the exact amount but it would be alot! The answer to your argument is very simple. Look at what's going on now. Most American's are LAZY!!!!! They would rather sit home and get a check from the government instead of work. It's happening all across the U.S. right now..... I honestly don't think many americans would do a lot of the jobs these "illegals" are doing. I own/run a business and I can promise you I have way more mexican or south american people wanting to work than "white americans". Said truth is a bunch of the "white americans" that come looking for a job, that isn't a manager type role, are on drugs have been on drugs or have a record for being arrested. A few of them turn out to be ok but a majority want something for nothing and they want to work whenever they want to work but expect me to pay them for a full day every day.

We have a legal way for those people to work in this country called a work visa. The flood of illegals coming in are not all looking for work and are not all from Mexico/Central America there have been many from Mid East, Africa and far East some from all countries I mentioned are criminals and gang members.
Enter legally or don't enter and I don't give a darn about the wait time or the cost

[OldRiverRat]

If they weren't here those houses would probably cost double what they do now... I don't know the exact amount but it would be alot! The answer to your argument is very simple. Look at what's going on now. Most American's are LAZY!!!!! They would rather sit home and get a check from the government instead of work. It's happening all across the U.S. right now..... I honestly don't think many americans would do a lot of the jobs these "illegals" are doing. I own/run a business and I can promise you I have way more mexican or south american people wanting to work than "white americans". Said truth is a bunch of the "white americans" that come looking for a job, that isn't a manager type role, are on drugs have been on drugs or have a record for being arrested. A few of them turn out to be ok but a majority want something for nothing and they want to work whenever they want to work but expect me to pay them for a full day every day.

we will never know how much they would cost because employers will continue to hire illegals and exploit them and everyone will justify it by saying exactly what you said above and of course you have mexicans that will do the job because look at their alternative. again, in the short run costs would go up but in the long run we would save money but no one is interested in playing the long game, we would rather just continue down the current path which is insanity.
stop the flow of illegals, stop the welfare system and you would be surprised at what would happen. unfortunately the narrative that this country can't survive without one segment of the population has been accepted. its kinda like the drug trade, you have the coyote (supplier) and the employer (user) and the user justifies it by saying i'm just helping a poor immigrant when in fact you are just using someone for cheap labor.

[c3products20]

We have a legal way for those people to work in this country called a work visa. The flood of illegals coming in are not all looking for work and are not all from Mexico/Central America there have been many from Mid East, Africa and far East some from all countries I mentioned are criminals and gang members.

Enter legally or don't enter and I don't give a darn about the wait time or the cost

A whole bunch of the people here came via a work visa. The visa ran out and they stayed...... What do you expect them to do? Some of them have families here so I guess they should just up and move everything they've worked their entire lives for. Many of them risk their lives trying to get here and do jobs americans won't do...... I personally think a national sales tax would solve all the issues you guys have with "illegals". They would still pay their fare share of taxes if every time they bought something they paid tax on it.

[dphillips62]

A whole bunch of the people here came via a work visa. The visa ran out and they stayed...... What do you expect them to do? Some of them have families here so I guess they should just up and move everything they've worked their entire lives for. Many of them risk their lives trying to get here and do jobs americans won't do...... I personally think a national sales tax would solve all the issues you guys have with "illegals". They would still pay their fare share of taxes if every time they bought something they paid tax on it.

Reapply for a new visa before it runs out or get deported.

[Bucknaked]

Its been around for a bit. I was with CBP Field Ops on the Houston Ship Channel 07-08. Even then the Fed respected Houston’s sanctuary policy and if you brought them in you would find yourself in all kinds of hotwater and investigations. Bush was no saint either. It was bad then but got better. Now its balls to the wall out of control. There is no dreamy romantic reality of human trafficking. The libs think they are helping them. They are hurting them. Typical, road to hell bleeding hearts.

I do Not think that the Dems are trying to help them at all!