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    #16
    A few snippets from another somewhat related study.

    Explore the statistical analysis of New York City's COVID-19 mortality rate and case numbers during April 2020. Discover possible interpretations in this insightful article.


    The author of the present manuscript maintained a daily Excel spreadsheet for case numbers and mortality rate of COVID-19 infection in New York City, from March 27 to April 26, 2020. As Table 1 shows, the mortality rate just prior to the month of April, specifically on March 27, 2020, at which time the Department of Health reported a total of 23,112 cases, was between 1% - 2%. This would be the expected rate for any flu-like illness, and comparable to the COVID-19 mortality rate on the Diamond Princess Cruise ship [1], the latter of which might perhaps be the closest we shall get to a proper “laboratory” for studying the behavior of this virus in a closed system. The New York City mortality rate, however, immediately began increasing thereafter, so that by the end of the month of April, there had been a total of only four dates in which the daily mortality rate had not been higher than the day before. The author ceased maintaining the spreadsheet after the month of April, but a follow up entry, on June 9, reveals that the mortality rate had continued to increase during the month of May, peaking at about 11%.

    It thus appears that the mortality rate of this disease is inextricably-linked to the case numbers. One might expect a great deal of discussion about this rather remarkable phenomenon, but the author is not aware of such discussion in any reputable medical/scientific journal, or in the news media. The author has therefore undertaken a review of the April 2020 mortality statistics, and a consideration of the possible interpretation thereof.

    In the United States, public health records show plainly and openly that the death tolls in previous years, from all these “other” respiratory diseases combined, regularly and reliably add up to some number between 100,000 - 200,000. This year, however, if we are to take the absence of reporting as “evidence”, then we might be compelled to believe that there were actually no deaths from any of these “other” diseases. It is neither reasonable nor rational to believe such a thing, but at this point we shall never know the exact numbers of 2020 deaths from these “other” respiratory diseases, because they were not tested for.

    The important question is a statistical one: When people arrive at the emergency room coughing, what is the effect of presuming that they all have COVID-19, when such a diagnosis is based upon the current test?

    We know now that the test has a 50% - 100% false-positive rate. It hardly matters whether it is 50% or 100%; the test is not accurate. As stated previously, the author shall, for the sake of argument, accept the Annals of Internal Medicine (reference [2] ) overall false-positive rate of 74% to be the correct number, admitting without protest that it might be as low as 50%, because the argument the author shall make is primarily qualitative.

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      #17
      Originally posted by rtp View Post
      Im waiting on the resident Liberals to tell us this doesnt mean what we think it means. Given that is probably the best defense they have they will most likely ignore it as they do most facts that dont support their crazy *** beliefs.
      They will remain silent on this... exactly like they have had lockjaw on anything Biden has done and on the evidence the virus was leaked from the lab. Primarily their silence is because it indefensible, but partly because they just turn a blind eye because for the most part they didn’t vote for Biden, they just voted bc “orange man bad.”

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        #18
        No surprise.

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          #19
          Thought y’all hated fake news??? Do more research on this “study”.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Playa View Post
            They will remain silent on this... exactly like they have had lockjaw on anything Biden has done and on the evidence the virus was leaked from the lab. Primarily their silence is because it indefensible, but partly because they just turn a blind eye because for the most part they didn’t vote for Biden, they just voted bc “orange man bad.”
            Right on que

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              #21
              Originally posted by Barrett View Post
              Thought y’all hated fake news??? Do more research on this “study”.
              Feel free to listen to the webinar that the article was based on and get back to us. Would welcome your thoughtful dispute of the data.

              [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKJN61aflI"]Covid-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data - YouTube[/ame]

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                #22
                Originally posted by LWC View Post
                Interesting article on the censorship of Dr. Briand and all things Covid. Well, all things tha don't fit the media narrative.

                "The main problem with all of this goes far beyond Dr. Briand’s research. This is all representative of an unproductive orthodoxy that exists around Co ...


                The Censorship of Dr. Briand
                I found my way to this article, too, and found it to be one of the most enlightening articles I’ve read in years! AIER is the American Institute for Economic Research. The article referenced above neither supports nor rejects Dr. Briand’s assertions, rather, it points out the fact that there are inconsistencies in the CDC’s data. More importantly, it goes on to say that, in a free market, any and all ideas (hypotheses, theories, assertions) should be encouraged, however, at the same time, they should also be subjected to rigorous review and deliberative and open debate, as it is only through this process that EVERYONE (on both sides of an issue) becomes more knowledgeable and more enlightened so that even greater ideas can evolve from the debate.

                I encourage everyone to read it. It is neither lengthy nor pedantic and it succinctly reflects what many in this forum have been saying for a while now with regard to the application of common sense and critical thinking.

                Thanks to LWB for calling it to our attention. You may have just been single-handedly responsible for many of us taking a Great Leap Forward in our ability to think thoughtfully, deliberatively, and even more intellectually.
                Last edited by ThisLadyHunts; 05-27-2021, 01:47 PM.

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                  #23
                  So John Hopkins is not a source you consider worth consideration? One of the top medical research places in the world. I have used their research in training and helping my kid who is a college athlete for a few years.

                  Can you please inform me of a more credible medical research school? I use several and John Hopkins is one of them.

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                    #24
                    Stanford - MIT- Yale are also good

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Shane View Post
                      Anytime somebody says, "People have the right to know the truth. However....." They're liars and just trying to rationalize a way to justify continued lying.

                      I said it last March, and it's still true. The reaction and response to COVID-19 is the stupidest thing our nation has ever purposefully done to itself. It's incredibly embarrassing.
                      Yep. I totally agree.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by ThisLadyHunts View Post
                        I found my way to this article, too, and found it to be one of the most enlightening articles I’ve read in years! AIER is the American Institute for Economic Research. The article referenced above neither supports nor rejects Dr. Briand’s assertions, rather, it points out the fact that there are inconsistencies in the CDC’s data. [B]More importantly, it goes on to say that, in a free market, any and all ideas (hypotheses, theories, assertions) should be encouraged, however, at the same time, they should also be subjected to rigorous review and deliberative and open debate, as it is only through this process that EVERYONE (on both sides of an issue) becomes more knowledgeable and more enlightened so that even greater ideas can evolve from the debate.[/B]

                        I encourage everyone to read it. It is neither lengthy nor pedantic and it succinctly reflects what many in this forum have been saying for a while now with regard to the application of common sense and critical thinking.

                        Thanks to LWB for calling it to our attention. You may have just been single-handedly responsible for many of us taking a Great Leap Forward in our ability to think thoughtfully, deliberatively, and even more intellectually.
                        How about some televised discussion/debates from the greatest scholars on all sides of this issue? How do we make this happen? Do we just have to wait for the government to decide this is over for us? Frustrating that we only get one side of a very important issue.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by glen View Post
                          So John Hopkins is not a source you consider worth consideration? One of the top medical research places in the world. I have used their research in training and helping my kid who is a college athlete for a few years.

                          Can you please inform me of a more credible medical research school? I use several and John Hopkins is one of them.
                          Come on Glen! Surely you're not suggesting that Johns Hopkins would produce an unbiased study that reviews actual facts and puts it out there for everyone to analyze for themselves? I mean they're good and all but they're no WHO, CDC, or Dr. Fauci.

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                            #28
                            I just figured he would post something from University of Phoenix On-line Medical School

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by etbowhunter View Post
                              Come on Glen! Surely you're not suggesting that Johns Hopkins would produce an unbiased study that reviews actual facts and puts it out there for everyone to analyze for themselves? I mean they're good and all but they're no WHO, CDC, or Dr. Fauci.

                              When you go to the Johns-Hopkins (JHU) site to research the article, one of the first things you’ll see is a disclaimer by the university that states the article by Dr. Briand appeared in a student-directed publication over which JHU has no authority. I don’t know if I completely believe that, but that’s what they claim.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by ThisLadyHunts View Post
                                When you go to the Johns-Hopkins (JHU) site to research the article, one of the first things you’ll see is a disclaimer by the university that states the article by Dr. Briand appeared in a student-directed publication over which JHU has no authority. I don’t know if I completely believe that, but that’s what they claim.
                                Hum, interesting.
                                The article quoted a statement from Johns Hopkins Medicine:​ "Rumors and misinformation like this can easily circulate in communities during a crisis. The rumors that we have seen in greater volumes are those citing a Johns Hopkins immunologist and infectious disease expert. We do not know the origin of these rumors and they lack credibility."​

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