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[BowhunterB]

When it comes to winterize, I think this is something that should always be happening. Why are colder places able to move gas and Texas falls apart during any super cold breeze. Droughts happen, cold storms happen. I think saying winterize is too expensive is just stupid. Infrastructure has to work.

Same thing with homeowner having to deal with broken pipes. Why are we tolerating this? The average homeowner should not have to worry about pipes busting in the cold. We need to upgrade our plumbing standards. At least so that newer homes don't have to deal with broken water pipes in their house. There is just no excuse for that non-sense. Super expensive homes are dealing with broken water pipes just like super cheap homes. To me that makes the 'it is too expensive to winterize' just wrong.

How much did this just cost Texas? What ever we saved by not winterizing just went out the window.

I am not arguing that with you at all, it is a great idea. You just have to convince the rate payers that it is justified, because they pay for it.

[BowhunterB]

When it comes to winterize, I think this is something that should always be happening. Why are colder places able to move gas and Texas falls apart during any super cold breeze. Droughts happen, cold storms happen. I think saying winterize is too expensive is just stupid. Infrastructure has to work.

Same thing with homeowner having to deal with broken pipes. Why are we tolerating this? The average homeowner should not have to worry about pipes busting in the cold. We need to upgrade our plumbing standards. At least so that newer homes don't have to deal with broken water pipes in their house. There is just no excuse for that non-sense. Super expensive homes are dealing with broken water pipes just like super cheap homes. To me that makes the 'it is too expensive to winterize' just wrong.

How much did this just cost Texas? What ever we saved by not winterizing just went out the window.

Not arguing that point at all, it is a great idea. Convincing the rate payers that it is a good enough idea to pay for is another story.

[BowhunterB]

Oops, sorry about the double post

[meltingfeather]

I am curious where you get your information to make a blanket statement that coal (and lets include NG) plants are not winterized.

Big chunks of coal and NG generation capacity failed for weather-related reasons.

[meltingfeather]

When it comes to winterize, I think this is something that should always be happening. Why are colder places able to move gas and Texas falls apart during any super cold breeze. Droughts happen, cold storms happen. I think saying winterize is too expensive is just stupid. Infrastructure has to work.

Same thing with homeowner having to deal with broken pipes. Why are we tolerating this? The average homeowner should not have to worry about pipes busting in the cold. We need to upgrade our plumbing standards. At least so that newer homes don't have to deal with broken water pipes in their house. There is just no excuse for that non-sense. Super expensive homes are dealing with broken water pipes just like super cheap homes. To me that makes the 'it is too expensive to winterize' just wrong.

How much did this just cost Texas? What ever we saved by not winterizing just went out the window.

Who is going to “update plumbing standards?”
You want the government in the form of cities to force costs on homeowners?
All the big cities in Texas get MASSIVE hate on TBH for just this sort of regulatory reach, where they know what’s best for people. I’m honestly surprised to hear that from you, unless I’m missing your point somehow.

[SaltwaterSlick]

I hate how social media has created an all or nothing to everything. Fossil fuel is of course the most efficient but what’s wrong with competition in fuel source and competition in the market. I’ll use what is cheapest and most reliable and helps sustain American independence for energy. Anything other than open markets and competition is bad for normal people.

This is EXACTLY the problem we have now!! Power is bid out... Wind/solar energy producers are always cheaper because their costs are subsidized by our tax dollars, so coal/gas fired suppliers are not competitive... Therefore we incentivize the undependable wind/solar so that producers want to install and run more of them and take offline the higher cost/maintenance/regulated conventional plants and since Texas electrical producers are unregulated, there are no requirements that any of them maintain a certain level of added capacity, stores, maintenance, hence the constant spiral downward to a less dependable source for our energy... Then when the out of ordinary demand happens, BAM! the grid cannot be supplied... When a wind event comes along the same thing will happen... Those WTG's are all feathered if the wind exceeds 85 mph winds... Look around corpus and south near the coast... how many WTG's do you think are there??? When those go offline because of an approaching tropical event, same thing is going to happen again! Until out legislature takes away the reverse incentives for undependable energy sources, it will NOT get better!

[ram04]

Aren’t fossil fuel companies subsidized? If a energy company refuses to winterize or perform maintenance because they say cost are too high and they can’t compete with wind and solar they are lying. What they really mean is their shareholders can’t make AS MUCH profits off us as they would like to so they use subsidies as the excuse to cut cost and not make their product more reliable in extreme weather events.

[ram04]

Lol and I work for the oil companies as well I know how profit margin rules and outlier events are budgeted for with training for the PR person.

[EarleyBird]

Michael Berry had a pretty good analogy the other day. Green energy is like a ball club having a pitcher in the rotation who puts up pretty good numbers in the regular season but falls apart under pressure.