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[dosrobles]

I would say a lot of people think I am a liberal. To some folks I might be, but to take the issues mentioned above.

1. I hate abortion, I just don’t think the government should tell people what to do
2. Work, get paid, or stfu.....you want more do more
3. No one should be here illegally, if you were born here maybe we should make some concessions
4. 2a-that wasn’t written for hunters, it was written so we could defend ourselves from unconstitutional govt. we should be able to own what they do.
5. Private business good, censorship bad. I am conflicted between these two currently
6. Is this country fair to everyone-no. Fairness is not a tenant of capitalism-tough shart

I think where some people get called Liberal is that they do not think The President is what/who he claims to be. I fall into that category. I think the other place people get called liberal is when they are. I have limited sympathy for people that have no interest in the main subject of this site and come here looking to antagonize people.

For the record I have been hunting/fishing for 40 years. I come
Here to learn. I didn’t even know what PACE was until 4-5 months ago

[BBRU]

Make a list, not everyone does.

Agreed, I’d like know myself

[Burnadell]

So with the libs essentially doing an end around and stifling free speech. I think it’s time we start to work a little smarter and up our game and fight back. We can’t ask the mods to ban someone but what we can do is collectively refuse to engage, on any level and in any forum, with those guys that we know support the liberal policies that we abhor.
I’m asking you guys to stop giving them a voice or podium. I think we would have much more fruitful discussions without the antagonizers and I’m personally sick of them.

We all know what makes a child madder than anything and that’s when you ignore them.

I don’t think we need to make a list, everyone knows who they are.

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Isn't this somewhat hypocritical?

If you want to see how big of a snowflake I am, I'd love to meet up and discuss it with you outside of a keyboard. I just love how keyboards and forums have people saying stuff that they probably wouldn't if they were standing next to you. I see it's a trend on here.

I agree.

The one who needs to grow up is the person/people throwing 5th grade insults around and resorting to name calling. I will not sit by while someone insults me or resorts to name calling... which I have done neither. I will not sit here and bark through a fence either because that isn't me, but I can promise that ANYONE who met me would not leave a conversation with me feeling like I was a snowflake. That is laughable. I also don't take crap off of anyone. Never have. Period.

I agree with you here, also. I have had strangers on here insulting me and calling me names like a 5th grader, all because I questioned some wild crap that was being spread as fact or simply because I disagreed or because I don't think that American citizens have the right to storm into any government building because we pay taxes or because we pay the salaries of government officials . (that last one actually came from a TBHer that is a city employee and voted for the first time this year at 35 years of age ...seriously, you can't make that up! )

the bigger issue here, just by reading through this is that there doesn't seem to be any common ground on how conservatives attack an issue. I shouldn't be surprised by the reactions, it mostly mirrors that type of representation we have in washington from the Republicans. Milk and toast, go along to get along.
i was careful in wording my post, there was no suggestion of banning anyone, in fact i was specific in saying we can't ban anyone so no "rights" were broken and i didn't suggest that we lash out or be confrontational which is something liberals clearly suggest when they don't get their way (see the many clips of maxine waters, harris, schumer etc inciting real violence). All i suggested was that we coalesce around one simple non-violent, non aggressive manner to prevent a certain group from having a platform to spew their nonsense. it was a simple request to ignore, nothing more and people aren't even willing to do that.
meanwhile the democrats are busy censoring, suppressing and outright trying to make conservatives into criminals. it's a pretty interesting social study but i was definitely hoping for different results. just imagine if we can't get a bunch of southern, conservative, god fearing hunters on the same page what does it say about the idea of focusing all conservatives in one direction.

here is some more legislation coming, aimed at you white dudes that aren't even willing to ignore a liberal.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....fa-could-love/

Isn't what you wanted a form of censorship?

Nope. I’m saying that you shouldn’t let that bother you. In order to change someone’s point of view, you first have to understand theirs.

We lack understanding in this world, both on the left and right, because people don’t want to talk anymore. Our politicians have poisoned our system along with big tech and big media.

Americans are more similar than they make us out to be. Unfortunately, we have created 2 separate echo chambers and the divide in this country is widening.

Maybe YOU should change the way you feel about them if you want them to change the way they feel about US.

Exactly. We are more divided than ever, and perpetuatuing the hostility because someone has different views is a problem...on both sides. What do we do when our bosses or fellow employees are Democrats; ignore them?

I'm trying to figure out what is so LIBERAL about his statement(s).

I have a good friend who is liberal and one of the most intelligent people I know. It takes us about 10 minutes of ranting toward each other's party before we can have an intelligent conversation on the issues. When we get past that, it seems we agree on a lot more than than we thought.

I have personally concluded that the underlying issues that really separate us are quite complex with tentacles into policies and views on both sides of the political aisle. There is a rational argument to be made on either side.

However, our politicians and the 2 parties prefer to frame our problems and their solutions so as to maximize the blame on the other side. Both sides want us to blame the other side and the best way to do that is by portraying the other side as(fill in the blank based on the issue/direction) and to the degree that we ignore the other sides' argument altogether. After all, who on the other is going to listen to what a "racist", "socialist", "baby killer", "homophobe", "libtard", "gun nut", "snowflake", etc., says.

So both sides get comfortable with their respective talking points based on who they blame and nothing ever gets resolved. In business, the key to solving any problem is accurately framing exactly what the problem is. Well, we seldom do that.

I think we would have a lot better chance of improving things if everyone listened and talked a little more.

We can moan about the liberals all day but we're not much better. Look at how many people even here refuse to acknowledge Trump's role in where we are right now - instead putting 100% of the blame on the other side. To the degree that some seem ready to take up arms and fight.

Well said and exactly to the bolded print. I voted for Trump both times, but I know people who previously voted for him but voted AGAINST him this time because they cannot stand his pompous, narcicistic, lying, bully persona. Yes. He is all of those things. He fired all his cabinet members that disagreed with him. Others quit because of him. He is the reason he lost...100% the reason. Well, that and the cheating! He could simply not control his personality or act presidential.

I can't speak for what others should think. But I do blame Trump for losing the election. His ego doomed him. Whether it was going after the media every chance he got, turning on anyone and everyone who even slightly disagreed with him, or his repeated lies - whether intentional or when he was just talking out of his butt because his ego wouldn't let him shut up or let the experts speak.

Here is the sad reality - everyone is entitled to their opinions and oftentimes there is as much truth supporting theirs as ours. It comes down to what each side is willing to ignore about their while holding accountable of the other. So I guess I just don't think we're as much better than the other side as many others do.

If Trump was a Democrat, most on the left would overlook his many flaws and lies and they would support him. Sadly, if Hillary was a Republican, most of us would do same in her favor.

My broader take is that if we would hold those who advocate our views to a higher standard of leadership and integrity, we would easily win more elections. But we don't. Like them, we're good with just pointing out the flaws on the other side as though the worse they are the better our side is, regardless the quality of the individual.

I agree, as said avove.

No matter how many times a liberal tells me abortion is ok it isn’t. No matter how many times a liberal tells me open borders are ok they aren’t. No matter how many times a liberal tells me gun control is good it isn’t. I could go on and on; systematic racism, social injustice, white privilege, global warming, higher taxes, lbgqfzhbbb (and whatever else) , censorship and on and on and on ..

What I will tell you is that while you are being sensitive and listening to liberals trying to understand why they think all these things are ok/good they are busy just acting on each of them becomes they don’t give a crap what you think or how you feel.

Good grief now I know why the Republican Party is so feckless.

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Extremists on either side make civil discourse problematic. As said, not all Democrats believe in all planks in their platform; neither do all Republicans.
Would you simply change jobs is your superiors had different political points of view than you?

[12RingKing]

Isn't this somewhat hypocritical?




I agree.



I agree with you here, also. I have had strangers on here insulting me and calling me names like a 5th grader, all because I questioned some wild crap that was being spread as fact or simply because I disagreed or because I don't think that American citizens have the right to storm into any government building because we pay taxes or because we pay the salaries of government officials . (that last one actually came from a TBHer that is a city employee and voted for the first time this year at 35 years of age ...seriously, you can't make that up! )



Isn't what you wanted a form of censorship?




Exactly. We are more divided than ever, and perpetuatuing the hostility because someone has different views is a problem...on both sides. What do we do when our bosses or fellow employees are Democrats; ignore them?




Well said and exactly to the bolded print. I voted for Trump both times, but I know people who previously voted for him but voted AGAINST him this time because they cannot stand his pompous, narcicistic, lying, bully persona. Yes. He is all of those things. He fired all his cabinet members that disagreed with him. Others quit because of him. He is the reason he lost...100% the reason. Well, that and the cheating! He could simply not control his personality or act presidential.




I agree, as said avove.



Extremists on either side make civil discourse problematic. As said, not all Democrats believe in all planks in their platform; neither do all Republicans.
Would you simply change jobs is your superiors had different political points of view than you?

You make good points sir.

[OldRiverRat]

Isn't this somewhat hypocritical?









I agree.







I agree with you here, also. I have had strangers on here insulting me and calling me names like a 5th grader, all because I questioned some wild crap that was being spread as fact or simply because I disagreed or because I don't think that American citizens have the right to storm into any government building because we pay taxes or because we pay the salaries of government officials . (that last one actually came from a TBHer that is a city employee and voted for the first time this year at 35 years of age ...seriously, you can't make that up! )







Isn't what you wanted a form of censorship?









Exactly. We are more divided than ever, and perpetuatuing the hostility because someone has different views is a problem...on both sides. What do we do when our bosses or fellow employees are Democrats; ignore them?









Well said and exactly to the bolded print. I voted for Trump both times, but I know people who previously voted for him but voted AGAINST him this time because they cannot stand his pompous, narcicistic, lying, bully persona. Yes. He is all of those things. He fired all his cabinet members that disagreed with him. Others quit because of him. He is the reason he lost...100% the reason. Well, that and the cheating! He could simply not control his personality or act presidential.









I agree, as said avove.







Extremists on either side make civil discourse problematic. As said, not all Democrats believe in all planks in their platform; neither do all Republicans.

Would you simply change jobs is your superiors had different political points of view than you?

What does my job have to do with my politics?
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. Please explain. Why would I leave? I would be giving in which is what I see our representatives do daily in washington. I voice my opinion and position and if they don’t like it I guess they could fire me but again I’m not sure where you are going with this.



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[Burnadell]

What does my job have to do with my politics?
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. Please explain. Why would I leave? I would be giving in which is what I see our representatives do daily in washington. I voice my opinion and position and if they don’t like it I guess they could fire me but again I’m not sure where you are going with this.



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I just got the impression from your posts that you were fed up with liberals and did not want to engage in discourse with them or anyone with a different political viewpoint. My apologies if I misunderstood some of your posts.

[texansfan]

Sounds like stuff Liberals do.

Where do conservatives stand on gay marriage?
Gays kissing on TV?

Liberals are all for this kinda stuff

[tps7742]

Isn't this somewhat hypocritical?




I agree.



I agree with you here, also. I have had strangers on here insulting me and calling me names like a 5th grader, all because I questioned some wild crap that was being spread as fact or simply because I disagreed or because I don't think that American citizens have the right to storm into any government building because we pay taxes or because we pay the salaries of government officials . (that last one actually came from a TBHer that is a city employee and voted for the first time this year at 35 years of age ...seriously, you can't make that up! )



Isn't what you wanted a form of censorship?




Exactly. We are more divided than ever, and perpetuatuing the hostility because someone has different views is a problem...on both sides. What do we do when our bosses or fellow employees are Democrats; ignore them?




Well said and exactly to the bolded print. I voted for Trump both times, but I know people who previously voted for him but voted AGAINST him this time because they cannot stand his pompous, narcicistic, lying, bully persona. Yes. He is all of those things. He fired all his cabinet members that disagreed with him. Others quit because of him. He is the reason he lost...100% the reason. Well, that and the cheating! He could simply not control his personality or act presidential.




I agree, as said avove.



Extremists on either side make civil discourse problematic. As said, not all Democrats believe in all planks in their platform; neither do all Republicans.
Would you simply change jobs is your superiors had different political points of view than you?

Very reasonable and well thought out responses. Thanks.

There will always be opposition on both sides, some to the extreme. It’s very easy to to shut these views out but we still need be able to reason with each other at the end of the day even if we agree to disagree. As an old saying in my working life “we need to helicopter up and get an ariel view to take a look at both view points.”

[OldRiverRat]

I just got the impression from your posts that you were fed up with liberals and did not want to engage in discourse with them or anyone with a different political viewpoint. My apologies if I misunderstood some of your posts.

I don’t but I still don’t understand what that has to do with my job.


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[Burnadell]

I don’t but I still don’t understand what that has to do with my job.


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That was intended to be just an example. You gave us the impression that you did not want to have any conversations with liberals or listen to their viewpoints. You basically want to censor them on TBH, so I simply wondered how you deal with it in the workplace, either with clients/customers or bosses/fellow employees. That was all.

[OldRiverRat]

All conservatives please read

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[OldRiverRat]

That was intended to be just an example. You gave us the impression that you did not want to have any conversations with liberals or listen to their viewpoints. You basically want to censor them on TBH, so I simply wondered how you deal with it in the workplace, either with clients/customers or bosses/fellow employees. That was all.

Actually I was very clear that I didn’t want to censor them. That’s what liberals do to conservatives



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[HogHunter34]

Actually I was very clear that I didn’t want to censor them. That’s what liberals do to conservatives



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I’m asking you guys to stop giving them a voice or podium

This was part of your original post requesting censoring the opposition view guys.
I think this is the part that Burnadell is referencing

[OldRiverRat]

I said ignore them
I didn’t say censor them



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[Burnadell]

Actually I was very clear that I didn’t want to censor them. That’s what liberals do to conservatives



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I said ignore them
I didn’t say censor them



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Asking everyone to ignore them and not engage in a discussion is effectively trying to censor them, and I was simply wondering how you deal with people in your everyday life that have different viewpoints. That is all.

I’m asking you guys to stop giving them a voice or podium

This was part of your original post requesting censoring the opposition view guys.
I think this is the part that Burnadell is referencing

Correct...along with the sentence just above that as bolded below.

So with the libs essentially doing an end around and stifling free speech I think it’s time we start to work a little smarter and up our game and fight back. We can’t ask the mods to ban someone but what we can do is collectively refuse to engage, on any level and in any forum, with those guys that we know support the liberal policies that we abhor.
I’m asking you guys to stop giving them a voice or podium. I think we would have much more fruitful discussions without the antagonizers and I’m personally sick of them.

We all know what makes a child madder than anything and that’s when you ignore them.

I don’t think we need to make a list, everyone knows who they are.