Apocalypse Trump - The Final Days

[Vermin93]

As a counter-balance to the QAnon adult fantasy thread, this thread will incorporate news and events that actually happen in order to chronicle the final days of the Trump presidency and the continued fallout from the MAGA insurrection.

Let's light this candle...

Chris Christie says Trump's incitement of Capital siege is an impeachable offense:

https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/stat...947239938?s=20


GOP Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania says Trump has descended into a level of madness:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...madness-457021

"I don't think there's any doubt at all, there's none in my mind, that the president's behavior after the election was wildly different than his behavior before," said the Pennsylvania Republican on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday. "He descended into a level of madness and engaged in activity that was absolutely unthinkable and unforgivable."


New GOP Congressman Peter Meijer from Michigan calls out the deceptions of Trump and his GOP enablers:

https://reason.com/2021/01/08/amash-...-rankly-unfit/

The congressman has withering words for elected Republicans who have spent the past nine weeks filling protesters' ears with false conspiracy theories and unfulfillable hopes.

"They were being lied to. They were being misled," he said of the demonstrators. "Some of my colleagues in Congress, they share responsibility for that. Many of them were fundraising off of this Stop the Steal grift. I don't understand how you can look in the mirror and go to sleep at night without that weighing on your conscience, I fundamentally do not. I'm just at a loss for words about how some of them have acted in ways that are just knowingly, provably false. And they know they're lying, too."

That critique extends to President Donald Trump as well. We spoke an hour or two before the president's surprise concession, which Meijer had been calling for, and on a day full of discussion about impeachment and the 25th Amendment. Asked about the latter, the congressman said, among other things, "It's very clear that that how the president acted towards this whole scenario, his actions leading up to yesterday and especially his unwillingness to come to grips with the reality, is continuing to perpetuate this fraud, this deception that is rankly unfit."

[glen]

What about all of the politicians that encouraged people to riot? Gotta go both ways

[Traildust]

Can you tell us how Joe Biden plans on stripping our 2A rights away and killing Texas jobs by attacking the oil & gas industry.....which I happen to be in?

Oh, show us which mask you'll be wearing for first 100 days too.

[14JKURX]

What about these people?

[rtp]

What about these people?

Nothing to see here......move along.

[sqiggy]

Did the fat lady sing???
Dang, I must’ve missed it!!

[GARY]

Everyone has a voice , or no one has a voice (at least here).

I don’t agree with my own mommas politics. Think about it that way. We choose to be grown ups when it comes to politics. I have life long friends in here ....same way.

Democracy at its best. Freedom for all.


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[Vermin93]

What about these people?

Quotes by 4 Democrats twisted to make it look like they endorsed riots

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ok-they-endor/

After pro-Trump rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, some have taken to social media to criticize liberals who have condemned the breach, calling them hypocrites for supporting the Black Lives Matter protests over the summer.

One popular Facebook post targets four Democratic women in Congress: U.S. Rep. Ayanna Pressley, Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Their faces are pictured in front of burning buildings.

Each photo includes a quote purportedly from the lawmaker that sounds like she is encouraging unrest. The post claims these are "direct quotes" from when Black Lives Matter "was BURNING down cities and killing people in the streets!"

The message isn’t totally accurate. Some of the quotes are legitimate, but some are outdated and unrelated to the Black Lives Matter protests, and others are taken out of context.

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

Let’s take it one quote at a time.

Ayanna Pressley

According to the post, Pressley, D-Mass., said of the Black Lives Matter protests that "there needs to be unrest in the streets."

Pressley did call for "unrest in the streets" in an Aug. 15 interview with Tiffany Cross on MSNBC’s "AM Joy" show.

"This is as much about public outcry and organizing and mobilizing and applying pressure so that this GOP-led Senate and these governors that continue to carry water for this administration, putting the American people in harm’s way, turning a deaf ear to the needs of our families and our communities — hold them accountable," she said.

"Make the phone calls, send the emails, show up," she added. "You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives."

Pressley received swift backlash with critics accusing her of condoning lawlessness. Pressley said she didn’t expect that reaction.

"There are moments in real time when you’re offering something — on a stage in a dais, in an interview — where you become aware: ‘I’m going to experience a lot of vitriol for this,’" Pressley recalled about her comment in a Jan. 3 USA Today article. "I have to say, for this particular moment, I had not anticipated that, because it was a framing that I have used many times before."

There was no indication Pressley necessarily meant anything other than peaceful protest.

Kamala Harris

The quote attributed to Harris, that "protesters should not let up," is legitimate, but she was neither referring to riots nor condoning people burning down buildings.

Speaking remotely to late-show host Stephen Colbert in June 2020, Harris voiced support for the racial justice protests that were going on — but she didn’t say she wanted riots to continue.

"This is a movement, I’m telling you, they’re not going to stop, and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop before Election Day in November, and they’re not going to stop after Election Day," she said. "And everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they’re not going to let up, and they should not, and we should not."

In a speech on Aug. 27, Harris said she supported peaceful protesters.

"We should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence," she said.

Maxine Waters

Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., is quoted as saying: "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere."

Waters’ comment came in 2018 at a Los Angeles rally after a Virginia restaurant owner refused to serve then-White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders. It had nothing to do with the Black Lives Matter movement or riots.

Waters urged attendees at the event to keep "pushing back" against members of the Trump administration with whom they disagreed.

"You think we’re rallying now? You ain’t seen nothing yet," Waters said, according to a HuffPost report. "Already you have members of your Cabinet that are being booed out of restaurants ... protesters taking up at their house saying ‘no peace, no sleep.’"

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere," she added.

Her comment was met with condemnation from Republicans and distance from some Democrats.

Nancy Pelosi

Pelosi’s alleged riot quote — "I just don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be" — was said over two years ago about the Trump administration’s policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border.

On June 14, 2018, Pelosi said that the National Association of Evangelicals told Congress that the U.S. refugee resettlement system was the "crown jewel of American humanitarianism."

"And in order to do away with that crown jewel, they're doing away with children being with their moms," she said. "I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. And maybe there will be, when people realize that this is a policy that they defend."

Our ruling

A Facebook post features statements made by four Democratic leaders and claims the comments are all direct quotes that were made "when BLM was BURNING down cities and killing people in the streets!"

This is misleading. Some of the quotes are legitimate, and were made during or around the height of the Black Lives Matter protests over the summer.

Some of the statements received backlash, but none specifically indicated that they meant anything besides peaceful protest. Harris, in particular, condemned violent rioters and said she supported peaceful protesters.

Other comments were made years ago and were not referring to any looting or violent civil unrest that occurred during riots in 2020.

The Facebook post contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

[rocky]

Quotes by 4 Democrats twisted to make it look like they endorsed riots

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ok-they-endor/

After pro-Trump rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, some have taken to social media to criticize liberals who have condemned the breach, calling them hypocrites for supporting the Black Lives Matter protests over the summer.

One popular Facebook post targets four Democratic women in Congress: U.S. Rep. Ayanna Pressley, Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Their faces are pictured in front of burning buildings.

Each photo includes a quote purportedly from the lawmaker that sounds like she is encouraging unrest. The post claims these are "direct quotes" from when Black Lives Matter "was BURNING down cities and killing people in the streets!"

The message isn’t totally accurate. Some of the quotes are legitimate, but some are outdated and unrelated to the Black Lives Matter protests, and others are taken out of context.

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

Let’s take it one quote at a time.

Ayanna Pressley

According to the post, Pressley, D-Mass., said of the Black Lives Matter protests that "there needs to be unrest in the streets."

Pressley did call for "unrest in the streets" in an Aug. 15 interview with Tiffany Cross on MSNBC’s "AM Joy" show.

"This is as much about public outcry and organizing and mobilizing and applying pressure so that this GOP-led Senate and these governors that continue to carry water for this administration, putting the American people in harm’s way, turning a deaf ear to the needs of our families and our communities — hold them accountable," she said.

"Make the phone calls, send the emails, show up," she added. "You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives."

Pressley received swift backlash with critics accusing her of condoning lawlessness. Pressley said she didn’t expect that reaction.

"There are moments in real time when you’re offering something — on a stage in a dais, in an interview — where you become aware: ‘I’m going to experience a lot of vitriol for this,’" Pressley recalled about her comment in a Jan. 3 USA Today article. "I have to say, for this particular moment, I had not anticipated that, because it was a framing that I have used many times before."

There was no indication Pressley necessarily meant anything other than peaceful protest.

Kamala Harris

The quote attributed to Harris, that "protesters should not let up," is legitimate, but she was neither referring to riots nor condoning people burning down buildings.

Speaking remotely to late-show host Stephen Colbert in June 2020, Harris voiced support for the racial justice protests that were going on — but she didn’t say she wanted riots to continue.

"This is a movement, I’m telling you, they’re not going to stop, and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop before Election Day in November, and they’re not going to stop after Election Day," she said. "And everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they’re not going to let up, and they should not, and we should not."

In a speech on Aug. 27, Harris said she supported peaceful protesters.

"We should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence," she said.

Maxine Waters

Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., is quoted as saying: "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere."

Waters’ comment came in 2018 at a Los Angeles rally after a Virginia restaurant owner refused to serve then-White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders. It had nothing to do with the Black Lives Matter movement or riots.

Waters urged attendees at the event to keep "pushing back" against members of the Trump administration with whom they disagreed.

"You think we’re rallying now? You ain’t seen nothing yet," Waters said, according to a HuffPost report. "Already you have members of your Cabinet that are being booed out of restaurants ... protesters taking up at their house saying ‘no peace, no sleep.’"

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere," she added.

Her comment was met with condemnation from Republicans and distance from some Democrats.

Nancy Pelosi

Pelosi’s alleged riot quote — "I just don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be" — was said over two years ago about the Trump administration’s policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border.

On June 14, 2018, Pelosi said that the National Association of Evangelicals told Congress that the U.S. refugee resettlement system was the "crown jewel of American humanitarianism."

"And in order to do away with that crown jewel, they're doing away with children being with their moms," she said. "I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. And maybe there will be, when people realize that this is a policy that they defend."

Our ruling

A Facebook post features statements made by four Democratic leaders and claims the comments are all direct quotes that were made "when BLM was BURNING down cities and killing people in the streets!"

This is misleading. Some of the quotes are legitimate, and were made during or around the height of the Black Lives Matter protests over the summer.

Some of the statements received backlash, but none specifically indicated that they meant anything besides peaceful protest. Harris, in particular, condemned violent rioters and said she supported peaceful protesters.

Other comments were made years ago and were not referring to any looting or violent civil unrest that occurred during riots in 2020.

The Facebook post contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

In the spirit of keeping things in context, what was it that Trump said that can be associated with the invasion of the capital? Or inciting it?

[curtintex]

Vermin93, I disagree with your politics. You and I are 1000 miles apart in that regard. But....but....I appreciate the way you debate. You're not afraid to dig for information and unless I missed something, you don't usually resort to name calling. You stand your ground even if your the only one that believes in you. Your politics, in my honest and noble opinion, sucks balls, but I do respect those things about you.

[curtintex]

In the spirit of keeping things in context, what was it that Trump said that can be associated with the invasion of the capital? Or inciting it?

Ed Zachary!!!!!

[BarW]

Elected officials are allowed to stay in office too long.
Every single public elected office should have term limits.
End the 24 hours News, install term limits and a vast number of our issues will disappear.

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[Legdog]

I used to come on this site and occasionally I drifted into topics where sometimes I felt the need to tell people why whatever I thought was right and whatever they thought was wrong.

I got over it.

If it helps you formulate your ideas and base platform, I guess that’s valuable. But I guarantee, you will enlighten no one. Not. One.

It’s like walking into a room full of preachers and telling them God doesn’t exist. What’s the point?

If you enjoy being that guy, go for it. Some day you might just realize the futility of it all.


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[Tex_Cattleman]

I used to come on this site and occasionally I drifted into topics where sometimes I felt the need to tell people why whatever I thought was right and whatever they thought was wrong.

I got over it.

If it helps you formulate your ideas and base platform, I guess that’s valuable. But I guarantee, you will enlighten no one. Not. One.

It’s like walking into a room full of preachers and telling them God doesn’t exist. What’s the point?

If you enjoy being that guy, go for it. Some day you might just realize the futility of it all.


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Pure wisdom!

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[Vermin93]

In the spirit of keeping things in context, what was it that Trump said that can be associated with the invasion of the capital? Or inciting it?

Good question. Democrats are reportedly rallying behind a single article of impeachment, authored by Democratic Reps. Jamie Raskin of Maryland, David Cicilline of Rhode Island and Ted Lieu of California, that charges Trump with high crimes and misdemeanors for “willfully inciting violence against the Government of the United States.”

The article linked below contains some specific quotes from Trump's speech that will likely be considered if impeachment proceeds.

Incitement to Riot? What Trump Told Supporters Before Mob Stormed Capitol

Here is a closer look at what the president said at a rally of his supporters, which is a central focus of the impeachment case being prepared against him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/u...eech-riot.html