Tariffs

[RiverRat1]

The big question is this....

If Countries all come in and tariffs pretty much go to zero around the globe, will the stock market race back and set new all time highs so fast your head will spin?

Or

Are these tariffs the excuse to sell off over valued stocks because they know the economy is slowing down on reduced FED QE?


I think it's the latter. But I'm hoping the first happens and markets rocket up before data shows economy is slowing. I just can't see any way we can stop FED QE, cut trillions in government spending without the economy slowing (a lot).

[BushHawg]

I think correcting the stock market's over valuation is part of the plan. I wish my company would pay me 25 - 30 times my earnings, but that is not sustainable, either. As I put on my tinfoil hat and see how much money the elite have on the sidelines, I think it's possible that manipulation of the market is purposefully being done to get some great discounts/value.

[atx_hunter]

I think correcting the stock market's over valuation is part of the plan. I wish my company would pay me 25 - 30 times my earnings, but that is not sustainable, either. As I put on my tinfoil hat and see how much money the elite have on the sidelines, I think it's possible that manipulation of the market is purposefully being done to get some great discounts/value.

It’s a weird scenario. Look at the 2 richest people in the state. Tesla’s stock is down 44% since Inauguration Day and Dell’s stock is down 48% since Election Day. Both Elon and Michael Dell have been supporters of Trump (one obviously more outspoken than the other).

[friscopaint]

Read where an auto manufacturer in Canada and Mexico is pausing production and laying off workers till they figure this out......translates to some suppliers in U.S. also getting laid off by the company but I bet that gets Canada and Mexico's attention......prior to this Ottawa was running a PR campaign about being long time trading and defense partners with the U.S. on TV......how much would we save pulling military out of Germany ? I know it was a strategic place in middle east wars as transport and medical hub......

[PlanoDano]

Now this is going to cause an economic mirage as people (some of you even) are going to go out and make purchases to try and beat the tariffs. Some (none of you of course) will use consumer debt to finance your purchases. The problem starts after the mirage fades and the consumers face higher prices and while serving (use any definition you like for serving, they all work) a higher debt load.
I have not voted for Trump since 2016.
I have been supportive of the peoples choice because I support the democratic process.
I am hopefully supportive of the government efficiency efforts.
I think the rollout of these tariffs just took the crown for the stupidest execution of any executive branch action in my lifetime.

[friscopaint]

Now this is going to cause an economic mirage as people (some of you even) are going to go out and make purchases to try and beat the tariffs. Some (none of you of course) will use consumer debt to finance your purchases. The problem starts after the mirage fades and the consumers face higher prices and while serving (use any definition you like for serving, they all work) a higher debt load.
I have not voted for Trump since 2016.
I have been supportive of the peoples choice because I support the democratic process.
I am hopefully supportive of the government efficiency efforts.
I think the rollout of these tariffs just took the crown for the stupidest execution of any executive branch action in my lifetime.

Well I've voted for him 3 times and I'm willing to see, I've seen what the opposite side is capable of doing.......

[PlanoDano]

I just asked copilot about debt trends to add context to my previous post
Debt Trends

• Credit card delinquencies have risen to levels not seen since 2008.
• Auto loan balances increased by $11 billion in Q4 2024.
• Inflation has moderated, but debt levels continue to rise.

Breakdown of Consumer Debt

• Total household debt: $18.04 trillion.
• Average household debt: $105,056.
• Credit card debt: $1.21 trillion.
• Auto loan debt: $1.66 trillion.
• Student loan debt: $1.62 trillion.
• Mortgage debt: $12.61 trillion.

[RiverRat1]

And what does all that have to do with tariffs?

[PlanoDano]

Yes I know trends are established mostly before Trump.
The point is a buying frenzy followed by even higher debt levels and higher prices.

[friscopaint]

And what does all that have to do with tariffs?

or Trump which TDS is what this is......

[PlanoDano]

And what does all that have to do with tariffs?

The tariffs will create a buying frenzy followed by higher prices. It is obvious Trump believes in disruption. The weight of the disruption will fall on the American consumer first and the people who produce (such as farmers) later.

[Death from Above]

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I think the rollout of these tariffs just took the crown for the stupidest execution of any executive branch action in my lifetime.

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The Biden administration says hello….

[MacDaddy67]

I completely understand why Trump is doing this, and what the end goal will be, but the messaging and the ripping of the band aid has been brutal....for anyone that has any angst against Trump this just adds fuel to the fire....My buddy retired Tuesday and he has lost his freaking mind right now...
Nancy and Bernie said the same thing Trump is doing now many years ago but it would be political suicide and they know it.....Trump doesnt worry about that so he will be the one in history that had the stones to do it....relax, dont look at it and if you have any side cash...invest next week and you will be smiling down the road....

Geraldo came out today and said he vacationed in Japan and NEVER saw a single American made car...there is a reason for that....TARIFFS on them in Japan

[Txhunter3000]

I just asked copilot about debt trends to add context to my previous post
Debt Trends

• Credit card delinquencies have risen to levels not seen since 2008.
• Auto loan balances increased by $11 billion in Q4 2024.
• Inflation has moderated, but debt levels continue to rise.

Breakdown of Consumer Debt

• Total household debt: $18.04 trillion.
• Average household debt: $105,056.
• Credit card debt: $1.21 trillion.
• Auto loan debt: $1.66 trillion.
• Student loan debt: $1.62 trillion.
• Mortgage debt: $12.61 trillion.

Whose algorithms feed copilot? I really don't believe anything I read.

[Txhunter3000]

I completely understand why Trump is doing this, and what the end goal will be, but the messaging and the ripping of the band aid has been brutal....for anyone that has any angst against Trump this just adds fuel to the fire....My buddy retired Tuesday and he has lost his freaking mind right now...
Nancy and Bernie said the same thing Trump is doing now many years ago but it would be political suicide and they know it.....Trump doesnt worry about that so he will be the one in history that had the stones to do it....relax, dont look at it and if you have any side cash...invest next week and you will be smiling down the road....

Geraldo came out today and said he vacationed in Japan and NEVER saw a single American made car...there is a reason for that....TARIFFS on them in Japan

Maybe because American made autos are crap.