Abbott/Vouchers

[jshouse]

i am on duty in a middle school as we speak and i assure you, the 2nd sentence above is 100% correct.

[tvc184]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Start it at home. You raise your kids right, I raise mine right, everyone on this thread teaches their kids how to critically think, in 20 or 30 years, the tree bears fruit. Not tomorrow. Not next week, Not next year. And guess what, a child who critically thinks, might not come to the same conclusions as their parents. And that is okay. But learning to think is a trait ONLY mom and dad can teach. Guess what, we raise our kids right, they grow up, do the same thing, and now another generation of critical thinkers is born. We won't live see the fruits of our labors. But I know they are coming.

Worthwhile change takes time, but defeatists have already lost long before the fight began. Defeatism is the strategy of the republican party, and the democrat party knows it.

I don’t care what you do. It doesn’t matter that everything starts at home.

You can point out the problem all you want. You cannot and will not make anyone else change.

[cehorn]

You and I can raise our kids right. The point is more and more are not. They outnumber and outbreed us year after year. I do not see how or why you think things will change.

Exactly this. When I fight the school system, I'm not fighting for my kids. I know what they have been taught and where they stand. I'm fighting for the kids whose parents don't care, aren't there, etc. I'm also fighting against the normalization of things that aren't normal. Those kids will make up the majority of society that our good kids will have to live with and deal with. You can thank LBJ for most of this starting with the Great Society which financially incentivized broken homes....

[tvc184]

Exactly this. When I fight the school system, I'm not fighting for my kids. I know what they have been taught and where they stand. I'm fighting for the kids whose parents don't care, aren't there, etc. I'm also fighting against the normalization of things that aren't normal. Those kids will make up the majority of society that our good kids will have to live with and deal with. You can thank LBJ for most of this starting with the Great Society which financially incentivized broken homes....

Louder for the people in back of the room……

[Playa]

Exactly this. When I fight the school system, I'm not fighting for my kids. I know what they have been taught and where they stand. I'm fighting for the kids whose parents don't care, aren't there, etc. I'm also fighting against the normalization of things that aren't normal. Those kids will make up the majority of society that our good kids will have to live with and deal with. You can thank LBJ for most of this starting with the Great Society which financially incentivized broken homes....

You stated this well. WItoTX has a romanticized/idealized society in his premise. My gay neighbors are raising their child with their version of right which encompasses inclusion and diversity. Those are their values, they parent accordingly.

the issue is that norms of our society have changed. Right has become so relative that has been perverted and even inverted (right is wrong and wrong is now right).

without consistent societal norms, the point is moot. But ultimately, the shifting of societal norms is THE initiative of the progressive movement and education is a primary lever they use to create that motion

[SaltwaterSlick]

Exactly this. When I fight the school system, I'm not fighting for my kids. I know what they have been taught and where they stand. I'm fighting for the kids whose parents don't care, aren't there, etc. I'm also fighting against the normalization of things that aren't normal. Those kids will make up the majority of society that our good kids will have to live with and deal with. You can thank LBJ for most of this starting with the Great Society which financially incentivized broken homes....

This is spot on except it started with DemoKrauts long before LBJ. He just kicked it into high gear... FDR was probably the greatest leader of this upside down movement and he kicked the ball into motion... Sucker was more communist/socialist than Karl Marx.

[Cookiemonster1]

Problem is you are fighting this at the wrong level. Schools play the hand they are dealt. Schools don't believe in half the BS that happens there but they have to stay between the lines. You need to be fighting in the Executive Branch and the Judicial Branch of Government.

[WItoTX]

Problem is you are fighting this at the wrong level. Schools play the hand they are dealt. Schools don't believe in half the BS that happens there but they have to stay between the lines. You need to be fighting in the Executive Branch and the Judicial Branch of Government.

We, as a country, are set up such that local government carries the most power. School districts absolutely have the most power. What to change something? Start there. And it's where you have the most voice. Literally everyone does. Even if you have no kids in school, guess, what, you pay taxes, and you are entitled to go to that school board meeting, that PTA meeting, that parent-teacher conference. Exercise that right.

What you are suggesting is all power comes from the top. It does not, and even if it did, you have zero influence there. Focus your efforts where you do have influence. Local Local Local.