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    2nd Amendment - Why?

    “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    First, let me say, that I fully support and would give my life to keep this right. I wouldn't give up my guns. I started this thread to hear different perspectives and form a discussion on the subject, nothing more. I will also say that I am not advocating any type of action except a thought process.

    I rarely comment in this forum but do read some. These threads have a common theme and they center around a corrupt government and politicians that are doing harm to the constitution in plain sight. In the process, our freedoms continue to be eroded. There is much talk about what needs to be done but short of exercising the right to form a militia to fight, nothing will be done. Will it? It is often stated that change begins at the ballot box but I'm not sure how many of us truly believe this anymore. Still won't keep me away. I'm almost 70 so it may not have much effect on the rest of my life but I do think about my kids and grandkids.

    One thing that comes to mind for me is how would a militia be formed. With the advent of smartphones and devices knowing our every move, it would be impossible to do this undetected. Besides, militia groups are often seen as the fringe of society that are a bit off. I don't believe the military would stand idly by while the 2nd amendment right is exercised by a group of people either.

    I won't go into spiritual beliefs and where I believe this is headed but will say, I know Who holds tomorrow.

    Civil discussion, please.

    #2
    I can only say, I think we share very similar, if not identical, beliefs on all accounts.

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      #3
      Well I have my line in the sand- I’m not worried about finding a militia just looking for a good hide with an exit route for those infringing on my rights and life. I’ve put my life in danger for far less many times at work

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        #4
        Any Militia in order to survive would have to be started or activated at the state level thru the state's own military department with a call to arms. In Texas that could easily amount to a million man militia in a matter of hours.

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          #5
          Biden said, if you don’t have any nukes or F-16’s, you won’t stand a chance with his government.
          I bet the king thought the same thing back in 1776!!!

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            #6
            Originally posted by muzzlebrake View Post
            Any Militia in order to survive would have to be started or activated at the state level thru the state's own military department with a call to arms. In Texas that could easily amount to a million man militia in a matter of hours.
            Easily!!

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              #7
              Originally posted by sqiggy View Post
              Biden said, if you don’t have any nukes or F-16’s, you won’t stand a chance with his government.
              I bet the king thought the same thing back in 1776!!!
              Them bright red coats sure made some easy targets for all them squirrel hunters hiding in the grass and bushes.

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                #8
                What is your question OP? Why is there a second amendment?

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                  Originally posted by glen View Post
                  Well I have my line in the sand- I’m not worried about finding a militia just looking for a good hide with an exit route for those infringing on my rights and life. I’ve put my life in danger for far less many times at work
                  Understood but where would you escape to? I know violence would run rampant in the urban areas but I wonder how many would head to rural areas to survive.

                  Originally posted by muzzlebrake View Post
                  Any Militia in order to survive would have to be started or activated at the state level thru the state's own military department with a call to arms. In Texas that could easily amount to a million man militia in a matter of hours.
                  Fair point. Do you believe that would ever really take place? How large a force would that be knowing "regular" people would take up arms with them. How many in the state government would be willing to put the lives and futures of their families on the line?

                  Last edited by Bill M; 09-14-2023, 08:44 AM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by muzzlebrake View Post

                    Them bright red coats sure made some easy targets for all them squirrel hunters hiding in the grass and bushes.
                    The king's men had no thermal weapons either.

                    Originally posted by WItoTX View Post
                    What is your question OP? Why is there a second amendment?
                    No, I know why. I'm curious about folks perspective on how they think it should be used as stated in the OP.

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                      #11
                      I'd say true change doesn't happen at the ballot box but gen Z will overwhelmingly vote to strip gun rights.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by SmTx View Post
                        I'd say true change doesn't happen at the ballot box but gen Z will overwhelmingly vote to strip gun rights.
                        100% on gen z. Also, remember who is in the military now. Its not the same as it was even 20 years ago. Those in the military today, dont think you should own guns.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bill M View Post
                          The king's men had no thermal weapons either.


                          No, I know why. I'm curious about folks perspective on how they think it should be used as stated in the OP.
                          What do you mean by how it should be used? It seems pretty straight forward, if there is a need for a militia, there is a need for firearms. If we ever got to the point of a militia, other countries, heck even folks in our own country, will try to profit off of it by selling firearms not typically allowed to be purchased. Like rocket launchers, RPG's, or recoil-less rifles. Not to mention NV, IR and all the accoutrement of accessories.

                          To your OP. I think a lot of people would rather buy lots of guns, talk a big game online, and then go somewhere more red, rather than stay and fight. This is what the people fleeing from the city to the burbs do. This is what preppers do. Run away and keep heads in the sand. "It's happening over there, not here where I am". One day, those people will run out of places to run to.

                          For example. There was a poster on this site, who never had any issues posting all the things wrong with politics and parents and schools his community. Since him and I lived in the same community, I suggested he start fixing things locally, either at a school board meeting or town hall meeting, and that I would meet him there, and provided the date of the next town hall meeting. I was never taken up on it, and as best I can tell, never saw him at either of those meeting spaces. Where the most good can be done.

                          Most people don't want to fight. Most people talk a big game. If government banned all firearms. there wouldn't be any militias formed. People would shrug their shoulders and hand over their firearms, for a small check. The "rebel" faction would keep their guns, and claim they lost all their firearms in a boating accident. And government would make an example of a few of these folks, to the point 95% of people will hand over their guns because they are too afraid to fight.

                          I believe most people on this part of the forum fall into that last 5%, that would be willing to fight back.

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                            #14
                            Go look at Australia that will be the USA inside of 2 decades.

                            Personally I have unplugged from all things politics except for a few forays here...to quote "it is like rooting for a professional wrestler"

                            Neither the peoples opinion or vote make any difference in the country.

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                              #15
                              it needs to start by cleaning house in congress. When you have so many that are corrupt, which is the only possible explanation for making millions of dollars on a 175K salary, there can be no just government. The 'good investments' excuse, when you make the laws that control how those companies work is unethical, corrupt, and should be illegal. The fact that people can even defend Biden's corruption is a perfect example of how the future adults/voters of our country think. That it is ok as long as it furthers their cause

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