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Originally posted by 35remington View Post"ATV" is not a word, nor an acronym, but rather an initialism. Adding an apostrophe to an initialism is a matter of style—the Associated Press Stylebook and The Chicago Manual of Style recommend adding an apostrophe to a plural initialism, while The New York Times recommends the opposite.
There is no wrong way with an initialism. My personal preference is no apostrophe.
When you are forming the plural of an initialism, you do not need to use an apostrophe, for example:
MPs
e.g. MPs voted against the bill.
CDs
e.g. I bought some new CDs today.
Note that the possessive form of initialisms is formed in the usual way, with an apostrophe + s:
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Originally posted by Chew View PostOxford Dictionary leans toward NOT using an apostrophe with an initialism:
When you are forming the plural of an initialism, you do not need to use an apostrophe, for example:
MPs
e.g. MPs voted against the bill.
CDs
e.g. I bought some new CDs today.
Note that the possessive form of initialisms is formed in the usual way, with an apostrophe + s:
2. Even your own source clearly indicates it's a suggestion, not a mandate.
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Originally posted by Chew View PostSimilar to APA and Chicago "recommending"
Your statement that "ATV's" is incorrect is a false statement. There is no rule about apostrophes for initialisms. Thus there is no right or wrong answer about whether to add an apostrophe. There are only suggestions.
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I would argue that the extensive use of ATV and the way it is pronounced with little to no pause moves it out of the category of initialism and into the category of a noun. I would venture that very few people are thinking "all terrain vehicle" when their brain translates the letters ATV into a from hearing to thought. Much like HIV. It started out as one thing and has taken on a new life as a noun.
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Originally posted by Jon B View PostLooks like somebody turned in a poorly written report to the Lieutenant! Let's please address "that's" and "had" on the next how-to post...I knew a Sergeant that would go nuts about it.
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Originally posted by Chew View PostThe Apostrophe: America's Most Misunderstood Mark
The apostrophe has a few useful applications!
1. Replace missing letters to form new words.
Examples:
- He is hungry. He's hungry.
- I would not do that. I wouldn't do that.
- She will be here later. She'll be here later.
As you can see, the apostrophe was used to replace letters and assist in combining two words into a new word.
Generally, most people understand the above use of the much maligned apostrophe.
2. Show possession.
This is the one that a large portion of the population struggles with. They don't understand the apostrophe, so they overuse it (often incorrectly). The same people, that don't understand the apostrophe, are often the same people, that overuse it's first cousin, the comma.
Bad examples of apostrophe use commonly observed on TBH:
- I have two Honda Foreman's for sale.
- Hunt includes all the varmint's you can shoot.
- No ATV's allowed.
- Waiting on my suppressor's
The above examples are incorrect because the words with the apostrophes are simply plural words that have the apostrophe added. Take away the apostrophe...and the word is correct.
Correct example of apostrophes used to show possession:
- That deer stand is Mark's. He put it up last year.
- That is Susan's bow.
- We are going to Tom's house.
There are additional rules that may apply when the word ends in "s", but I have to get back to work!
My investigator's have a lot of homicide's to investigate...and I have to make sure they are filing charge's, completing report's, putting suspect's in jail, and not taking long lunch's.
However, if you are the CO, what you say goes.
I’m not saying you do this, but, just keep in mind your troops might be thinking about your requirement for "correct grammar" in their reports, when the next few moments of their tour of duty might demand their fullest attention....
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