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    #61
    Originally posted by Shane View Post
    I'll add this....

    My wife and I went through a pre-marital counseling class taught by a marriage and family counseling professor here at ACU. It was several weeks long. Great class. One week we took personality profile tests. The next week we reviewed the results and talked about what they meant, etc.... After class, the counselor called M.C. and I over. He said, "I don't know how to say this, so I'm just gonna say it. I don't think you two should marry each other."

    We asked why. He said that after looking at the personality profiles, we were both type A personalities who like to be in charge, can be stubborn, are direct, etc... He said he was afraid we'd drive each other crazy and fight a lot. He recommended that we think long and hard about it before getting married. We'd already been dating for a year and a half, so we thought we had it all covered. We looked at each other and then looked at him and said, "Thanks, but we ARE gonna get married, and we're NOT gonna get divorced."

    We finished the class and eventually got married a couple months later, as scheduled. That was over 26 years ago. About 2 years later, after M.C. had finished her master's degree in marriage and family therapy, that professor hired her to work for him. I saw him a month or so ago, and we laughed about that story. He didn't remember telling us that, but I sure do.

    He was right about one thing though. We did fight about some really stupid and trivial things early on, in our individual efforts to run everything. But we learned to stop trying to rule each other's lives eventually, and we got along GREAT once we stopped trying to be each other's bosses.

    Thank you for sharing your experience. Your story demonstrates to me, that no matter what Someone else says or believes, you found your LOVE. That is the way I feel about -C-

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      #62
      Marriage is overrated, yes I love my wife but it’s like having a forever girl friend. I hope she doesn’t see this

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        #63
        Originally posted by JayB View Post
        J-Bob

        That is the ultimate in funny. Great write up!
        Thanks, but you shouldn't encourage me. Here are a couple more. I am coming at it from a Christian perspective like a lot of you guys, but I'm only 20 years into this marriage thing so consider the source...

        Key to Conflict Resolution
        While the first tip is strategic, this one is purely tactical. Marital conflict is going to happen. You guys will end up arguing. It is just part of the deal, especially if you are doing your job and managing down her expectations early on. There are several books written on “fighting fair” (whatever that means) in marriage that I will never read, because I know the secret to resolving marital conflict that works every time.

        The key to resolving conflict in marriage is NUDITY. When you and your wife get in a fight, you both should take off all of your clothes before you finish. You guys will not be able to stay mad when you are naked. One of two things will happen:

        Hilarity - Hilarity often ensues as you both end up laughing and forget why you were mad. In some cases like mine the nudity also reinforces her lowered expectations of me, creating a double-benefit.

        Sex – It doesn’t happen as often as hilarity, but it does happen on occasion so it is worth the mention.



        Finances
        Get out of debt as fast as you can and stay out of debt. Sound crazy? Not really. All you have to do is wait a little longer until you have saved up to buy something. Money problems are BY FAR the biggest cause of marital conflict. If you don’t have the constant strain of debt weighing on your family, your marriage will be MUCH happier.



        Pray and Read the Bible Together
        We pray and read the Bible together at night. There are many benefits to this. It brings us a sense of closeness, re-centers God as primary in our relationship and often leads to a good discussion. Additionally, it is hard to stay mad and hold a grudge against your spouse while you are praying and reading the Bible together before bed. It can be done, but it is difficult, so this habit helps with the goal of not going to bed mad at your spouse.

        However, if you are mad at your spouse, you now know what to do. Get naked. Grab your Bible. Jump into bed. Start reading. I would recommend reading the book, Song of Solomon, in these situations. It’s kind of dirty. You can even do a kind of dramatic reading and act out parts. If you are naked and reading Song of Solomon together you won’t stay mad long. And you will never look at a palm tree the same again.

        And while we are on the subject of Solomon and marriage, I guess I should mention something that has puzzled me for years. According to the Bible, Solomon was very wise. I Kings 4:29 says God gave him wisdom and great insight. You can see it in the story of how he was about to chop that baby in half to find out who the real mother was (I Kings 3:16-28). He also became the richest and most powerful man in all of recorded history, so he must have been doing something right.

        But what I can’t figure out is how a guy who is that smart can end up with 700 wives and 300 concubines, because marrying that many ladies and taking on that many concubines is just dumb. According to I Kings 11:1-6, he disobeyed God (and common sense) by taking all those foreign wives, and they eventually turned his heart away from God.

        But even if they had not turned his heart away from God, the logistics alone of having 700 wives and 300 concubines make me shudder. I’m exhausted just thinking about it. Here are some obvious complications that I see with that lifestyle:

        - Remembering Names: Maybe a special gift to remember names came with his wisdom, but if I had more than about 8 wives, I would need to institute a policy of nametags at all times. I don’t know anyone who can remember 1,000 names, and I would think it could get a bit embarrassing when you can’t remember your wife’s name.
        - Kids: I hope you like kids. There will be lots. Better order some more nametags.
        - Anniversaries: 700 wives. 365 days in a year. The math is simple. You are going to have overlapping anniversaries. Throw in 700 birthdays and you are in real trouble. Assuming you can even remember them, how do you manage two or more wedding anniversaries and/or birthdays on the same day? Take them all to dinner together? Awkward.
        - Sex: IF you can keep a pace of one per day with no days off for sickness or travel or exhaustion (you’re my hero), each of them will enjoy your royal embrace about once every THREE YEARS. Those ladies are going to get bored and lonely, which leads to the next problem.
        - Closet Space: What’s a lady who is married to the richest man in history to do while she waits for her one time every three years to see him? Shop, of course. Solomon would have to build a separate castle just to house the shoes for 1,000 women. On the plus side, though, think of all the money they could save him by buying new outfits and shoes on sale. Maybe that’s how he got so rich.





        OP - another suggestion would be to not let your wife to be see any of this. You don't want the ladies getting our playbook. Good luck!!!

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          #64
          J-Bob hits another touchdown. Great wisdom in recognizing that Solomon was dumb.

          oh look...what is that?

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            #65
            If you have to delete it, hide it or lie about it you knew it was wrong before you did it. Wish my future ex-wife would have understood that.

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              #66
              J-Bob is a genius! What he said about the finances is very true though. My wife and I married fairly young and I was the only one working for the first several years. Things were not great during this time. A lot of problems with money caused a lot of problems with our relationship. We got out of debt and she had a hysterectomy at about the same time. Not sure which one made the most difference, but things have been really good since then. I kid, but seriously!

              Helping with the kiddos is another chapter I would like the great J-Bob to reveal. Once our kids were old enough to "fend for themselves", things got even better.

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                #67
                Counceling required by a church is a freaking joke. You guys are the only two that know if your compatible. Dang sure not some sunday warrior that you see for 1 hour a week.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Dale Moser View Post
                  We got married out of state, and I didn't meet the pastor until the day before. He was a little preterbed that we hadn't done the counseling and said something about not marrying us. I was more than a little preterbed at the implication that we hadn't put all necessary thought into this well before the weekend of the wedding, and said something about how many pastors there must be in this town. We got married.


                  We met the pastor the morning of. Acquaintance of my FIL though. Man I wanted to marry us had too many conditions sadly which still frustrates me. I asked the guy who actually married us about that and his comment was most pastors don't like to go to hospitals and do weddings. That's where I'm needed. Guess who I have way more respect for?


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                    #69
                    Originally posted by cattlelackranch View Post
                    In a nutshell, you are marrying one of Gods daughters. Treat her that way.
                    My first wife came from the wrong house....


                    but more to the OP... my first marriage required pre-counseling due to wifes affiliation with the catholic church...meaning.. her father donated money to it..so they were catholics...
                    anyway.. it was performed..and i **** you not, by a catholic couple who were both on their second marriages... and spoke mostly about how much they learned and how to get a marriage annulled.
                    I laughed my *** off at this, and caused a bit of a rift with preist/deacon/whatever he was...and the ex's family.
                    If i had truly been listening at that time, it was a sign to run.
                    Last edited by systemnt; 11-22-2017, 06:31 AM.

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                      #70
                      It was required in our church. It was mostly about each persons expectations and discussing the differences in expectations. The only real difference with us was our expectation of how many times per week we had sex, mine was higher.

                      30+ years later and she still hasn't caught up!

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