Lease concerns I'd like your guys input

[txlawdog]

14 hunters on 3700 acres lease members come and go. So not real sure on how often someone is there been out 7 times 3 times I didn't have the whole place to myself. I'm sure that changes come deer season.


Also we have to clear it with lease manager via email phone call or text anytime we go to the ranch not sure if that's normal or not my last lease wasn't like that

I know lease manager likes to know who is coming but that gives him notice when the place will be empty or less occupied, call me suspicious but 23 years in law enforcement makes me that way.

[slicktree]

I assume no other lease members are using each other's stand, or friends of other lease members, just a thought. Do you personally know all the other members? Lease managers are either a godsend or not worth knowing, hard to find middle ground on them. That's why I finally bought my own place, small but in good location and I can do what I want when I want. Good luck. PM if you need any LEO help.

Supposedly on this place I if you use another members stand without consent it's an automatic termination. My last lease manager and this one don't seem to be worth knowing. My goal is to buy my own land im just kind of being priced out. I appreciate your input and will keep you in mind thank you for the responses amd time

[El Viejo]

I would make it my mission to catch the sorry scum.

I'm leaning this way as well. I'd try to set up some hidden cameras & turn over license plates, vehicle pics, etc. to game warden.

[slicktree]

I assume no other lease members are using each other's stand, or friends of other lease members, just a thought. Do you personally know all the other members? Lease managers are either a godsend or not worth knowing, hard to find middle ground on them. That's why I finally bought my own place, small but in good location and I can do what I want when I want. Good luck. PM if you need any LEO help.

Supposedly on this place I if you use another members stand without consent it's an automatic termination. My last lease manager and this one don't seem to be worth knowing. My goal is to buy my own land im just kind of being priced out. I appreciate your input and will keep you in mind thank you for the responses amd time

[Mesquite Archer]

14 hunters on 3700 acres lease members come and go. So not real sure on how often someone is there been out 7 times 3 times I didn't have the whole place to myself. I'm sure that changes come deer season.


Also we have to clear it with lease manager via email phone call or text anytime we go to the ranch not sure if that's normal or not my last lease wasn't like that

I'm sure he needs a heads up so he can put his day lease hunters in empty stands. I would pop in unannounced a few times and see what's up.

[Grizzly1]

For that kind of money you shouldn't be dealing with the BS and if the lease manager cared about the place and his hunting as well he would be overly concerned just like you! But if he is collecting the money for the land owner and probably has the members paying for his spot so he hunts for free plus getting some cash from buddies or day hunts then he want care because the money is more important than the hunting or the ranch to him. The rule that you have to let him know you are going tells me he wants to know so he has his story straight if he has non members out there or you cross paths with a non member he gave access too! Since guns are involved and a bad situation could get heated quickly I would get my stuff off then bail without giving him red flags you are leaving!

[DUKFVR]

Also we have to clear it with lease manager via email phone call or text anytime we go to the ranch not sure if that's normal or not my last lease wasn't like that

That throws up a red flag faster than anything to me. I would never get on a lease where I am supposed to let the Lease manager or landowner know when I am coming. Too many crooked operators nowadays.

[RascalArms]

Also we have to clear it with lease manager via email phone call or text anytime we go to the ranch not sure if that's normal or not my last lease wasn't like that

Run brother....don't walk! RUN! You've been HAD!

[fulmer34]

Don't leave asap like everyone is saying. Fight the good fight. First lease I ever got on the lease manager was crooked as a pigs penial. We decided to cut our losses and pack our bags. As we we were loading our stuff we ran into land owner, we gave him a quick run down and he practically begged us to stay and said he was planning on sheet canning the lease manager. Had we not already put a deposit down on a new place we likely would have stayed.

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[Thumper]

Lease mgr letting his buddies hunt free.

No use in throwing good money after bad.

14 hunters on 3700 acres....

Also we have to clear it with lease manager via email phone call or text anytime we go to the ranch not sure if that's normal or not my last lease wasn't like that

Yep, the lease manager is more worried about when his hunters come out to hunt than he does about the poaching. And that's because he's the poacher.

[rosco11]

What are they shooting out of your blind in June?

I'd say pigs if there were 3 spent cases

[Atfulldraw]

That throws up a red flag faster than anything to me. I would never get on a lease where I am supposed to let the Lease manager or landowner know when I am coming. Too many crooked operators nowadays.

I've had this requirement in place on several places where the owners or manage wanted a courtesy call or text.

One place years ago the manager was gun hunting on a bow only lease and wanted a heads up when he would have the place to himself.

Another place was a working cattle ranch and they always had crap going on, feed trailers, cattle trailers in and out, mesquite choppers rummaging around.

Our current place, it is to make sure we have enough room for guests and since we have crappy cell service there, it's also to let someone know you are there in case something happens.

We also have a full time ranch manager that may have a project or something going on that could mess up a hunt, so letting him know is a good thing for us.

Our manager is on TBH, and is a good guy with the best of intentions for the place and the hunters, so it's no big deal to send a simple text.

I sure wouldn't write off a lease just for that reason -- it really all depends on the manager's character.

[160class]

I've had this requirement in place on several places where the owners or manage wanted a courtesy call or text.

One place years ago the manager was gun hunting on a bow only lease and wanted a heads up when he would have the place to himself. :
Another place was a working cattle ranch and they always had crap going on, feed trailers, cattle trailers in and out, mesquite choppers rummaging around.

Our current place, it is to make sure we have enough room for guests and since have crappy cell service there, it's also to let someone know you are there in case something happens.

We also have a full time ranch manager that may have a project or something going on that could mess up a hunt, so letting him know is a good thing for us.

Our manager is on TBH, and is a good guy with the best of intentions for the place and the hunters, so it's no big deal to send a simple text.

I sure wouldn't write off a lease just for that reason -- it really all depends on the manager's character.

Ehh Matts alright!!

[muzzlebrake]

Sounds like the lease mgr is double dipping. Sadly this happens all too often. Set him up, catch his arse and inform the land owner who might just turn the whole thing over to you and cut out the middle man. Oh, and don't forget to go Burnadel on his butt.

[MA ELite]

Sounds like the manager may know the people that are poaching.


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