Bow Experts...question about draw length for my son

[Johnny]

Looks like crap. His bow arm is not extended fully, his bow shoulder is too high, his draw is waaaaaaay too long, his knuckle is behind his ear, he is leaning back, his head is tilted forward, he is too deep into the grip of the bow and his release elbow is pointing down.

It's not extended fully because if he does it pulls the string away from his face. Absolutely pointless to extend arm.

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[Bigdaddy]

I would say the photo needs to reshot with his extended fully then his head straight and level then some opions can be made. The photo doesn't tell
The story.

[Shane]

Have him anchor so the string just lightly touches the middle of his nose and see where his right knuckle is on his face, somewhere around the corner of his upper and lower lip. Then see what his elbow angle is.

I am thinking he is needing to bring the string back past his nose because of the shallow string angle that results from the long draw length cam on the really short axle-to-axle bow. (Isn't that bow less than 30" long?) A longer axle-to-axle bow would probably fit him better.

[Rat]

There is a lot of room for improvement, and don't take this the wrong way please, but you need to get him to someone who can help him one on one with the tools to do it correctly.

If you aren't good enough at recognizing this many aspects of someone's form he needs another person to help him with this.

I don't say that to be mean, but you can actually do more harm by not knowing and then advising him incorrectly. Right now it is easy to get him on the right track, but a few months after shooting with poor form will take many thousands of arrows to correct.

Don't get me wrong, he can learn from the internet, there are many good videos and articles (and this great forum), but it is very difficult without the proper tools and you are going to need a bow press at a minimum. It would be easy to correct one or two things on someone's form, but he needs to start from the ground up (literally, start with stance and body position).

I would pay for a couch for a couple of hours (NFAA trained at least). You have many resources close to you, more than most people do, take advantage of them now.

[Shane]

It's not extended fully because if he does it pulls the string away from his face. Absolutely pointless to extend arm.

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Yep. Steep angle on the string. Short bow and long draw length....

[Johnny]

I am thinking he is needing to bring the string back past his nose because of the shallow string angle that results from the long draw length cam on the really short axle-to-axle bow. (Isn't that bow less than 30" long?) A longer axle-to-axle bow would probably fit him better.

Yes, the DXT's ATA 29.75".

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[Johnny]

There is a lot of room for improvement, and don't take this the wrong way please, but you need to get him to someone who can help him one on one with the tools to do it correctly.

If you aren't good enough at recognizing this many aspects of someone's form he needs another person to help him with this.

I don't say that to be mean, but you can actually do more harm by not knowing and then advising him incorrectly. Right now it is easy to get him on the right track, but a few months after shooting with poor form will take many thousands of arrows to correct.

Don't get me wrong, he can learn from the internet, there are many good videos and articles (and this great forum), but it is very difficult without the proper tools and you are going to need a bow press at a minimum. It would be easy to correct one or two things on someone's form, but he needs to start from the ground up (literally, start with stance and body position).

I would pay for a couch for a couple of hours (NFAA trained at least). You have many resources close to you, more than most people do, take advantage of them now.

Thanks.

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[CastAndBlast]

Form is one issue, but if he is 6'3" he most likely needs at least a 30.5" draw and probably more.

Have you measured his arm span?

[Floor Man]

Bow Experts...question about draw length for my son

Step one- the string needs to be on the end of his nose not past it. Anchor is too far back. Once those two things are fixed you can figure out draw length and extend his arm if need be. Do this with his eyes closed as I'm 99% sure his peep sight is way too low.


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[Johnny]

Form is one issue, but if he is 6'3" he most likely needs at least a 30.5" draw and probably more.

Have you measured his arm span?

Just did. His arm span is 74" which brings his draw length to 29.6"

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[DRT]

Lots of good info already given but the first question was does the bow need modified. I say yes. He would benefit from a longer AtA and from a coach who can tell him he needs to change and coach him through it. Once he has a ow that fits and is comfortable the rest will be easier for him to adjust.

[CastAndBlast]

Just did. His arm span is 74" which brings his draw length to 29.6"

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I would round him up to a 30" cam and call it good.

[Johnny]

Yep. Steep angle on the string. Short bow and long draw length....

By steep angle on the string, are you talking about it being pointed in a downward position? He was shooting at a small block 20 yards away. His 6'3" so was having to aim low to hit was he was aiming at? Not sure if that is what you were talking about or not.

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[Shane]

By steep angle on the string, are you talking about it being pointed in a downward position? He was shooting at a small block 20 yards away. His 6'3" so was having to aim low to hit was he was aiming at? Not sure if that is what you were talking about or not.

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No, I'm talking about the angle of the string when he has it drawn, from the nock to the top cam. When the bow is short in relation to the draw length, it makes the string look like this when you draw....

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If the bow was longer between the axles/cams, he could draw it without folding the string over onto itself so much. A longer bow would result in the string looking more like this when he is drawn....

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That would help him line the peep up with his eye while being able to get his nose on the string, and he wouldn't have to draw the nock back so far to get his eye to the peep. Make sense?

[Shane]

I don't know if "steep" is the right word, or if I should have said "shallow", but maybe the post above will show what I'm trying to say.