Knife Values or Lack There Of!!!

[chopsknives]

You still taking orders Chops? I really liked that blue folder...

Yessir I Sure am!! PM inbound!!

[kumathebear]

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I don't know what questions you're asking or what responses you're getting, but I will tell you that I sometimes have a big of internal debate with myself about how much detail I'll go into when answering somebody's question. For example, a question I frequently get asked is whether this steel or that steel is better or will hold an edge longer. The correct answer is that it depends on how they are heat treated. I could talk all day about heat treating, the properties of steel, and getting the optimum performance for a given steel, but I assume people don't want to hear all that. Their eyes will glaze over. But I realize people want more than "It depends on how well the heat treat went." They want to know what it is about the heat treat that makes a difference and why there are different kinds of steels in the first place. But I really don't know how much detail to go into in these situations. Maybe that's what you're running into. I don't know. I'm just speculating.

I actually asked how one of the knives held it's edge yesterday on one of your posts in classifieds. I'm not one of those with any knowledge of knife making, just like certain one's I see. As for me, I read your explanation for not putting your mark on the blade and it was acceptable for me at least. Seems this is a big deal for "those in the know?" Great looking products from all of you who are regularly posting....

[chopsknives]

Now Justin here's the breakdown you wanted: $1,550 labor? Not exactly you need to take a few more things out of it: first you have to have a shop and that requires electricity then take out some for all the power tools and maintenance repair and replacement, then the expendables, sanding belts, rouges, buffing wheels, epoxies, cryo glues, acids, hand files, sandpaper, emory cloths, milling bits, dremel bits, cork belts, waxes, metal conditioners, oils, sharpening equipment, visors, Anodizer, Eloctrolyte, Echant, respirators and filters for it, packing materials, time spent on material aquisition, leather, thread, wax threads, needles, sealers and dyes, leather conditioners, stamps, club and forum dues (I pay a membership fee every year on here), show tables (Blade was north of $500 just for the table not to mention the other $2,500 spent), travel expenses, time off to do these shows (since i have 0 employees when I'm sellin I'm not makin! kiss the vacations goodbye), wear and tear on vehicle the last show I did was a 12 hour drive each way!
Then gotta give Erica her due! she has a few hours in it as well she helped in the layout and design, did the anodizing of each and every little piece including every srew, wrote a COA specific to THIS HERE knife, photography, social media, sheathmaking, listings, writing code for the website to name a few!
I'm sure I'm missing a few items here as this was just off of the top of my head.

[chopsknives]

BTW I don't work a 40 hour week - Been workin 7 days a week for quite sometime and many days the shops lights are burning long after sunset.
Here's a good example for you: On Wednesday I worked a 13 hour day finishing at 8 PM while Erica spent the day getting me show ready. Then I jumped in a car and drove 12 hours to Atlanta Ga. Then setup and worked my table all day. Then the hotel ended up being a call girl/gangster base which got raided by a team of 8 cops sooo I had to check out and go find another in downtown Ga. during a convention!! Fun times there!!
I do still love my job and am honored to build my Art for people and I stand behind my work! But to say I make $1,550 on this here knife is a bit Askew and we still didn't add Paypal, credit card fees and shipping costs (in the thousands!) or go over designing and working out all of the geometry of this here lockback folder

[justintyme8303]

OK Justintyme If you had read what I posted here you would already have your answer. The fact that Chinese and Pakistani knives are crap metal has been known for quite sometime. The fact that the knives you are selling are on ebay for less than half of what your asking is also a commonly known fact. The fact that they call their steel something it is not is also a common denominator. As I told you I have a friend who has a Spectrometer and would gladly have him tell you what your knives are or are not. I believe you told me firstly can anyone know what metal really is anymore? The answer is yes in this country and several others there are standards. You also told me you don't care that I could test them after I purchase them. The fact that you don't care is the problem here.

Here Sir is where the problem lies.

For some reason when you sent me PM you already had your mind set that I bought my knives on eBay which I didn't. Good to know I can find them there vs gun show for the higher price I paid.


Second for some reason you also assumed I knew the same you know about steel and blade making and I was just trying to pull one over on the others here that don't know any better. You even went as far as saying if you do tell them I will. Again you would be wrong.

You later said you knew the knife maker's company and bashed him too and I told you well if the know so much about this guy and his company take it up with him not me. I'm just a consumer that according to you have been deceived into buying junk. I found their website and no mention of sourcing blades from Pakistan or China so not sure where your getting your well known facts.

You going around saying things are fact when they are just your speculation is comical, your ability to look at a photo and be able to pick out good steel for bad steel is amazing but watching you pound your chest waiving around your credentials and proclaiming to know all the details of my knives I had for sale was just pure entertainment.

I don't pretend to know about knife making and made it clear in every add the specs came from the maker to inform anyone looking at them of what I knew. Next time just use the back button vs making comments on things you know nothing about.

Buy the way thanks for leading me to the maker's site now can say the knives I sold have life time warranty. I had no clue since the guy that sold them to me never said anything.

[justintyme8303]

BTW I don't work a 40 hour week - Been workin 7 days a week for quite sometime and many days the shops lights are burning long after sunset.
Here's a good example for you: On Wednesday I worked a 13 hour day finishing at 8 PM while Erica spent the day getting me show ready. Then I jumped in a car and drove 12 hours to Atlanta Ga. Then setup and worked my table all day. Then the hotel ended up being a call girl/gangster base which got raided by a team of 8 cops sooo I had to check out and go find another in downtown Ga. during a convention!! Fun times there!!
I do still love my job and am honored to build my Art for people and I stand behind my work! But to say I make $1,550 on this here knife is a bit Askew and we still didn't add Paypal, credit card fees and shipping costs (in the thousands!) or go over designing and working out all of the geometry of this here lockback folder

Like I said you do good work. You have mastered your trade and it shows. I have no illusion what you do is easy and that's just building the knife I didn't even touch on the marketing. We agree a lot more goes in to building a knife than the cost of steel.

[chopsknives]

Here it is in a nutshell
#1 You said in your listing a friend of yours made these and now you say you bought em at a gun show (?)
#2 People like you muddy the waters for people like me - hard working honest knifemakers (and you don't even make anything)
#3 when I tried to give you a heads up you attacked - I retaliated
#4 You told me to get a life. I've got one and won't stand around with my hands in my pocket while people dishonor and disrespect it. Especially when they have no knowledge of what they say.
#5 You need to go study about knifemaking and metal and learn everything you can - work till your fingers are bleeding and get up and do it all over again and when you actually have something intelligent to say about the industry come back and we'll talk! You are not a knife purveyor and you've shown that you have no reason to buy and sell knives.

IMHO One last thing - yall do realize if you bey from Pakistan you are prolly helping to fund terrorism

[18ncs]

Ha! Ha! When I was at blade I went to the breakfast bar at the hotel and there's prolly 100 diff makers stayin there and I heard click! And told him "A Man after my own heart!! Cuttin eggs with a Switchblade!!!" He said you Texans and your knives - heck they been legal here for years!!

All I know is if I have to cut eggs with a switchblade I'm sending them back to chef or finding a different place to eat breakfast.

[justintyme8303]

Here it is in a nutshell
#1 You said in your listing a friend of yours made these and now you say you bought em at a gun show (?)
#2 People like you muddy the waters for people like me - hard working honest knifemakers (and you don't even make anything)
#3 when I tried to give you a heads up you attacked - I retaliated
#4 You told me to get a life. I've got one and won't stand around with my hands in my pocket while people dishonor and disrespect it. Especially when they have no knowledge of what they say.
#5 You need to go study about knifemaking and metal and learn everything you can - work till your fingers are bleeding and get up and do it all over again and when you actually have something intelligent to say about the industry come back and we'll talk! You are not a knife purveyor and you've shown that you have no reason to buy and sell knives.

IMHO One last thing - yall do realize if you bey from Pakistan you are prolly helping to fund terrorism

#1 please .... please provide link to my add where I stated a friend made them!!! You where the one saying I was making them....lol

#2 So a consumer muddys the water not the company selling what YOU CLAIM to be "bad product" or is it just bad since they are at wholesale prices? Again proof please on where they are getting source of steel. And your gut feeling is not proof or is he said she said. I do make something its called a pay check and I use that to buy products like knives and guns.

#3 If that was a heads up man go easy next time.

#4 Yes its clear you will not be under sold without trying to muddy the water and create doubt in someones add. We clearly saw that on all my adds. Which is why this thread was made to continue to do so without looking bad. for doing it on my adds which is against the rules.


#5 If i ever take to time to do so your business would really suffer as I would really start making knives to sell at low costs.

And in this day in age you pumping gas or grabbing a six pack could also be funding them. I am guessing all your knives come with country of origin for ALL materials that went in to them and your suppliers can provide the same?

[justintyme8303]

This is fun but I have to go now .... But Ill check back later when I get back home so we can play some more.

Oh you never did say if your steel supplier turn out was importing bad steel would you change the price on your built knives? @ 50-60 bucks?

[Leon County Slayer]

Knife Values or Lack There Of!!!

This is fun but I have to go now .... But Ill check back later when I get back home so we can play some more.

Oh you never did say if your steel supplier turn out was importing bad steel would you change the price on your built knives? @ 50-60 bucks?

I'd suggest this isn't a battle worth continuing. I too received a remark from you that your friend supposedly made these and that story has changed. I too am pretty good at knowing what I'm looking at after apprenticeship under master knife maker Rendon Griffin and I'd be willing to suggest these are 99% Pakistan knives made from junk steel that are being resold at 100% markup of the original price. I tried to stay quiet but there's some pretty obvious intentional misrepresentation going on here and you don't have a paid sponsorship either that is required to sell them here. After taking a break from my sponsorship due to a backlog of custom orders and being patient to regain that privilege, it's a little disconcerting to see this continue.


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[FireNguns]

I'd suggest this isn't a battle worth continuing. I too received a remark from you that your friend supposedly made these and that story has changed. I too am pretty good at knowing what I'm looking at and these are 99% Pakistan knives made from junk steel that are being resold at 100% markup of the original price. I tried to stay quiet but there's some pretty obvious intentional misrepresentation going on here and you don't have a paid sponsorship either that is required to sell them here. After taking a break from my sponsorship due to a backlog of custom orders and being patient to regain that privilege, it's a little disconcerting to see this continue.


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This doesn't surprise me at all . I had worked a trade deal with JustinTyme8303 a few years ago then last minute he crawfished and tried to get more money out of me after everything was agreed on. Very unprofessional. Hate when people waste my time but you can only fool me once. I have refused to even think about buying/trading anything from him again. It's a shame that everyone can't be honest.

[justintyme8303]

I'd suggest this isn't a battle worth continuing. I too received a remark from you that your friend supposedly made these and that story has changed. I too am pretty good at knowing what I'm looking at after apprenticeship under master knife maker Rendon Griffin and I'd be willing to suggest these are 99% Pakistan knives made from junk steel that are being resold at 100% markup of the original price. I tried to stay quiet but there's some pretty obvious intentional misrepresentation going on here and you don't have a paid sponsorship either that is required to sell them here. After taking a break from my sponsorship due to a backlog of custom orders and being patient to regain that privilege, it's a little disconcerting to see this continue.


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I just looked at my PMs and don't see anything from you on any knives. Can you reply to that PM so I can see it. I'll be waiting.

And I don't need a sponsorship to sell my personal belongings you should know that. If you read my adds I'm not the maker. Chops made that same mistake over and over. Learn to read the adds people know what your talking about before you open you type. Why in the world would someone pay 30k for a testing device for steel when you and Chops can tell by using the naked eye?

And you too know what I paid this is amazing can you tell me the winning lottery numbers too? As far as Mark up anyone who are you to tell me what my asking price should be?

[justintyme8303]

This doesn't surprise me at all . I had worked a trade deal with JustinTyme8303 a few years ago then last minute he crawfished and tried to get more money out of me after everything was agreed on. Very unprofessional. Hate when people waste my time but you can only fool me once. I have refused to even think about buying/trading anything from him again. It's a shame that everyone can't be honest.

Since this has now turned from knife making value thread to a stabbing party and you want in lets dance Nancy. What deal did we have a few years back?

[Leon County Slayer]

I just looked at my PMs and don't see anything from you on any knives. Can you reply to that PM so I can see it. I'll be waiting.

And I don't need a sponsorship to sell my personal belongings you should know that. If you read my adds I'm not the maker. Chops made that same mistake over and over. Learn to read the adds people know what your talking about before you open you type. Why in the world would someone pay 30k for a testing device for steel when you and Chops can tell by using the naked eye?

And you too know what I paid this is amazing can you tell me the winning lottery numbers too? As far as Mark up anyone who are you to tell me what my asking price should be?

I won't continue to participate in your games but simply put, Let's just say your comments are very cute and its CONVENIENT you don't recall replying several times to my pm's yesterday. sad....and yes, to sell multiple knives over and over after you've bought bulk does require a sponsorship, the rules are created for one offs, not running a resell business.