Large Dog Breed Needed

[xman59]

Hate to say it but you are incorrect... Some breeds are much more predisposed to aggression regardless of how they are raised.... Sorry

and you are very correct in that,,, some people refuse to see reality as it is, they only see it how they want it to be

[elliscountyhog]

I have a Argentina Dogo that needs a new home. Cant leave my chickens alone. He is great with the kids and listens well. He even comes with a brother that is yellow bmc and they are running buddies.

[catslayer]

then try explaining the number of incidents with pit bulls when every single owner claims they were sweet well behaved dogs, and the numbers of them that have attacked their owners after being so good for so many years,,, breeds have characteristics, you can not change that sure you can get a good dog and a good owner from any breed,, just as you can get a bad one....
i have seen and been on the calls were way to many people were attacked by certain breeds for no apparent reason other than being within attack range,, and from your own statement,, you can find A good trainer with a good dog
finding a singular instance, says nothing about the breed as a whole
its is far better to look for generalities of a breed than hope to find one good one from a multitude of dogs with worse dispositions ,, different breeds do different things,,, they always have,,, some are just plain better around kids than others, some make far better guard dogs, some make better trackers and retrievers some dogs do multiple things better,
proper training within a given breed can make that particular dog better than the rest, but a bloodhound is still a bloodhound,, he is not going to act like a german shepherd or a dogo...
i recently did some searching on bite numbers,,, #1 is the pit bull, the german shepherd, rottweiler, doberman, chow, were all in the top 10, i just dont remember some of the others,,#10 on the list was the boxer,,, the list was a comparison of bite instances to deaths by that breed,,, the pit had over 6000 documented bites with well over 1000 deaths,,,, ( the numbers were compiled by a dog research group, i do not recall the name of the group)
the #2 dog on the list had less than half as many bites or deaths,, the boxer had only about 600 bites, with about 60 deaths ( i do not recall the exact numbers on any of them, i did this over a month ago)..

what dogs are best known for is a characteristic of that breed,,, sure nurturing can have some influence , some but the disposition of the dog remains because of the breed, individual exceptions exist,, they are not the norm...

Use your search function... this came up about a month ago... lots of good research posted...

Dog bite studies are NOTORIOUSLY hard to preform because very few of the bites are actually reported. ESPECIALLY in smaller breeds.

take pit for example look at the numbers of pits what HAVE bitten, then go find an actual number of the the number of pit/pit crosses in the US... then see if it is a statically meaningful difference in the number that bite as it compares to the population, pit is one of the most popular dogs in the country... You wont find one but I'd love to talk about any findings you DO have come up with.

the bottom line is your wrong lol

SOME DOGS BITE... Every breed, both sexes, old and young... 99% of bites are because of a the public **** poor ability to train a dog... And then there are the idiots that try to make a dog aggressive (the cane case in california, the owners were CRAZY). Read Ceizar Melan's book, he worked with the female of that pair... really interesting stuff.

Belive what you want, but I have spent more time with more breeds than 90% of the population. Nurture and discipline are what make a dog what it is or isn't.

Your fear of a breed or type of dog is doing nothing but limiting the scope of companions you will have. I'm sorry you do that to yourself but you do you. When you see an aggressive dog, I see one that isn't well socialized, isn't well trained, isn't doing anything daily to help with their drive to do a job, and has decided that his owner and he is best served by him being aggressive.

bet you think those long nose big headed monsters we call "labs" are well bred too...

By the way bites are "Singular instances" soooo you can't throw out the number of good dogs while at the same time you are using "singular instances" in bites to say they are bad dogs...

[catslayer]

and you are very correct in that,,, some people refuse to see reality as it is, they only see it how they want it to be

OR some people arn't sheep and take the time to SEE what is actually happening, experience things for themselves and not blinded by the "image" of what something is

[Burntorange Bowhunter]

Gunther Der Heinz vom Loyal Heart. 1/2 DDR 1/2 Czech.

100% European working lines. He is awesome but has very high prey drive. Things that make their way into our backyard at night tend to die. LOL.



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[Burntorange Bowhunter]

Just read this in the link posted above. The OP said he needs a dog good with children so I don't think a working line of GSD is good for him. Or correct me if I am wrong. After all this was on the Internet.

Working dogs have more 'hair trigger' aggression, and generally a higher Prey drive. Because of this, they must be monitored carefully around people, especially children. Anything that moves fast becomes Prey (like a rabbit) to be chased down and caught. If a jogger runs by, or a child zips by running, or is on a bicycle or on skates, the Working dog may react to them as if they are Prey. They can't grab with their paws, so they use their mouth to grab (bite) to stop their Prey.

Some this may be the case. Not ours. He is amazing with our grandkids. He will not venture far from me at all and comes back on command. No issues.

They do testing on the pups. My guy scored mostly 3's and 2's which is an active family member. Two females in his litter scored all 1's and were listed as hardcore working dogs.

[Burntorange Bowhunter]

I personally would not go with a GSD unless you plan to spend a ton of time training it and finding a good breeder. the way they are bred now with the slopped back leads to a lot of neurologic deficits in the hind end (they lose control of their back legs). They are also the most unpredictable dogs I have met other than the toy breeds. But like others have said it is all in how you raise them . Don't let the GSD train you though.

Not Euro working lines ma'am.

You are referring to American Show lines.

Easy to find. This is the American partner to Jinopo CZ in the Czech Republic. It is owned by the legend, Jiri Novotny who was the main guy of zPohranicni Straze kennel that bred the Czech military and police dogs.

http://www.alpinek9.com/

Here is Jinopo.

http://www.jinopo.cz/main.php

Don't be fooled by the pics that make the dog appear t have the same sloped back as the American showlines. That is the stance they put them in which is called a "stack".

[BrianL]

Based off of YOUR criteria, I would look a a doberman or standard poodle.

[Burntorange Bowhunter]

Yes, Doberman would be an excellent choice.

[highspeed]

Thanks for all the information. I've never been to keen on German shepherds. Looks like mastiff is the way to go

[altabonita]

Good choice.

[mill929]

Love my Dane. 8 1/2 months old 135lbs and behaves like an adult dog. If he does shed I don't see it and his bark is already extremely intimidating.

[Mcm1013]

Haha! I got one and she don't bark for anything! Plus my wife wants a big, intimidating dog.

I understand she wants a bigger breed, but most Labs are very protective. The Lab in my avatar....If Im gone from home and he doesn't know someone....I can promise you, they wouldn't make it out of their car. He is very protective of my wife. The only exceptions are kids, he has never been aggressive towards kids.
PS
Your food bill on a lab vs mastiff!!!!

[Mudslinger]

Give Gail Hubbart a call with Baronhaus Rottweilers. She is in East Texas. Very religious and wonderful woman with her husband Ray and they have raised Rotties and world class Rotties for many years. I have owned 4 of them and they are great dogs from her Sires and Dams. the biggest male I had was 142#'s and not a single bit of fat. Tell her Doug Johnson sent you. My 2 Rotties I have now are in my avatar, Diesel & Sophie!!

[Strummer]

Feeding a Mastiffs would be like feeding a teenage boy for a long time. Quite an investment.

It's not as bad as you think it is . I go through less then 50 lbs every 2 weeks with two adult mastiffs and a fat blue lacy