2 more deer with CWD

[Mex. Bowhunter]

Ok I think Someone Asked Already But, It was Never Answered. What do they do with These Places ( Pens or Ranches That CWD are Found On) After All the Deer Are Killed? They will Be Labeled Not Suitable for Whitetails forever?

[M16]

Alright, so all (100 percent of) penned deer and any designated for Trap, Transport and Transplant permits should be euthanized and tested (since live tests' reliability of 91-97 percent is not acceptable to you)? Is this a fair statement of your stance?

For clarity, which ranches would this need to occur on? Ones with some connection to the index herd over the five year period outlined by TPWD?

Or should all breeder operations kill all their deer and test them, just to be safe?

Simply wondering about the logical progression of thinking here.

TTT should be a thing of the past and no longer allowed. Euthanize all deer connected to the index herd.

[tradtiger]

TTT should be a thing of the past and no longer allowed. Euthanize all deer connected to the index herd.

That's what I thought you meant. I just disagree on the necessity and efficacy of that draconian approach.

[Ender]

The only thing high fence has to do with CWD is it allows the spread of the disease much faster than normal situations...such as low fence free range animals. I'm sure this event will now lead to revolutionary changes in deer farming in Texas. I really do feel sorry for the farming guys...because in the long run it's gonna hit em where it hurts the most...thier pocket book.

No sorry I disagree with this because it's the high fence ranches that buy the white tails from other states possibly ones with cwd problems and bring them down to Texas to breed with their does. Most of your low fence land managers aren't doing that.

[az2tx]

TTT should be a thing of the past and no longer allowed. Euthanize all deer connected to the index herd.

But some of those deer have been shipped elsewhere, do you also euthanize all the potential deer they have come into contact with and also all of those contacted deer may have come in contact with and so on until their no deer left

[az2tx]

No sorry I disagree with this because it's the high fence ranches that buy the white tails from other states possibly ones with cwd problems and bring them down to Texas to breed with their does. Most of your low fence land managers aren't doing that.

Are you sure about that? Most high fence places don't import out of state deer legally or not

[Deers & Beers]

CWD is wayyyy over hyped

[systemnt]

No sorry I disagree with this because it's the high fence ranches that buy the white tails from other states possibly ones with cwd problems and bring them down to Texas to breed with their does. Most of your low fence land managers aren't doing that.

Texas is a closed borders state.
There are very few Licensed Texas importers for for out of state deer and they are HEAVILY monitored and regulated.

If you have read any of the cases and penalties for the illegal importers from recent years, you'd understand why breeding operations AND HF hunting operations dont approach that topic lightly at all.

[JW]

I'm not a deer breeder, wealthy man, nor have I ever killed a buck larger than a spike. I will probably never have the money to drop on taking some monster deer in s Texas or anything of that nature. I also have no desire to hunt whitetail in a high fence. To me, my 150 acres of God's country and the very few deer inhabiting the place makes me feel at home and gives me a sense of purpose. I feel like a hunter that is doing what can be done to keep native deer thriving.

That being said, I know a multitude of deer breeders and HF deer ranchers that share the same love and respect for whitetail as I do. They have a lot more money than I do, and therefore have decided to raise breeder bucks for large operations and randomly stock their own pastures with nice deer. These folks are simply making money where there is money to be made. They aren't the greedy, self-involved, narcissists people make them out to be. Their desire to make sure that the species thrives has caused them to spend thousands of dollars and countless hours of time making sure they do everything they can to keep diseases like this from popping up. The vaccinations given, scouting done, and regulated environments they maintain are focused on promoting healthy deer. It is a shame that a smear campaign against these folks has caused numerous people to point a finger at them, thus threatening to ruin their way of life and possibly bankrupt themin some cases. All of this simply because of a preconceived notion as to the intentions and intent behind their livelihood. Trust me, these folks know they aren't pandering to the adventure hunters and the "fair chasers". They provide a service to the people who dedicate their weekends and spare time to a bit of hunting and don't mind paying for it. If that makes them a detriment to hunting, I have yet to see evidence supporting that. There are kids that shoot their first deer within one of these operations, and they would have never stepped foot into the woods nor experienced the thrill of the kill were it not for having folks providing this service. These same kids can grow up to be voices for hunters, because we all know that getting children interested in the outdoors is not as easy as it used to be.

Just my take on it. FWIW

A reasonable response without all the speculation garbage.

No sorry I disagree with this because it's the high fence ranches that buy the white tails from other states possibly ones with cwd problems and bring them down to Texas to breed with their does. Most of your low fence land managers aren't doing that.

Uninformed. ^^^^^

[12 point]

I really feel bad for the fellow that was trying to make a living raising deer.
I assume they are going to kill every deer on his farm, wiping out a life times worth of work.
I can't imagine the empty feeling he has to have in his chest this morning.

I don't have any high breed whitetails but we have raised a great crop of Fallow deer this year. It would break my heart to find out the state was going to come in and kill them all so they could test them. My place is just a hobby but I'm sure before this is over it is going to bankrupt a lot of hard working country folks.

I have to wonder about anyone (jmarlin) who could be happy about this.
I suppose they have to be someone who has never owned land and tried to raise anything.
It does not matter if it is cattle, hogs or a big plot of peas. You spend countless ours working to raise anything, then to have it die or burn up in the Texas heat is just a awful empty feeling that I don't have the words to explain

Great post. I know how it feels to lose an entire year's worth of crops. Drought got everything I planted one year. Dried up and blew away. All that labor, time, and money invested and nothing to show for it.

[Longue Carabine]

You understand.. CWD has been around for YEARS... its NOT new.. and that its been Studied, monitored, contained and controlled not only in the Breeder facilities and programs, but in the wild, at great expense by the Breeding programs themselves.
Not the Feds. Not your Local government and certainly not by You.

Almost everything we know about cervid biology came from studies performed at and by these facilities.

CWD has never been contained anywhere. And that makes the concern about deer farming transporting the disease to new areas that much more serious.

[Longue Carabine]

Except by our govt...they currently move deer around the state. See "repopulation efforts" on any TPWD press release. Deer that I might add, they have no clue the origin of and there is no live test for CWD, so they are untested as well...... Then you should also be against the use of scents and attractants that are based from urine. Those literally get shipped all over the united states & every bubba who goes to Academy picks them up to use during season. Virginia has already outlawed them because they see that very real concern.

BTW- Texas pen deer, stay in Texas and are from Texas, so not really "all over Gods green earth". Deer cannot be transported across state lines. (And if your argument is "it still happens"-- While it may happen, it happens illegally and adding another law probably won't stop someone who is already breaking the law.)

I agree. But as I mentioned in the previous threads, exotic deer CAN be shipped across state lines and they CAN be infected by CWD. This problem is something that doesn't get attention but should be addressed immediately.

[bukkskin]

Intentionally, none, as stated above, disease of any kind is spread quicker in a confined space. It is most likely a diseased deer was brought in to the area and infected others. The deer that 1st showed signs and symptoms is not necessary the 1st deer diagnosed with CWD. It is possible, due to the incubation period of CWD, that a deer without signs and symptoms was released/sold to a ranch and has the potential of infecting others.

Please stop comparing cattle to deer. Cows are raised to feed the masses and deer are pen raised for their antlers not their meat.


Edit - Minimal incubation period is believed to be 16 months and maximum is unknown.

Source - http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fu...9a5a4261400ea2

Just so ya'll know the original deer that tested positive did not die of CWD, or show signs and symptoms. He was found dead laying under a feeder(probably was jacking around, hit the feeder and broke his neck). They have a funny way of doing that.

On another note, for all the hard core Breeder haters. If you think it was hard to find a reasonable hunting lease before ??? Wait until they DO outlaw breeding deer in Texas. All of these "supposed" rich guys are gonna have to turn their BIG money towards leasing land out from under whomever they can. Sky is the limit!!!!!
So unless you own a ranch or hunt for free somewhere, I don't think I would be eagerly chomping at the bits for the breeders to be shut down.

I do hope that the TWPD finds the end of the line in their testing, and can put this behind us.

[drop dead fred]

Just so ya'll know the original deer that tested positive did not die of CWD, or show signs and symptoms. He was found dead laying under a feeder(probably was jacking around, hit the feeder and broke his neck). They have a funny way of doing that.

On another note, for all the hard core Breeder haters. If you think it was hard to find a reasonable hunting lease before ??? Wait until they DO outlaw breeding deer in Texas. All of these "supposed" rich guys are gonna have to turn their BIG money towards leasing land out from under whomever they can. Sky is the limit!!!!!
So unless you own a ranch or hunt for free somewhere, I don't think I would be eagerly chomping at the bits for the breeders to be shut down.

I do hope that the TWPD finds the end of the line in their testing, and can put this behind us.

Nah to much work to be done for that! Majority of them want to just show up shoot a trophy pack up and leave. It'll spike up some

[Mex. Bowhunter]

Just so ya'll know the original deer that tested positive did not die of CWD, or show signs and symptoms. He was found dead laying under a feeder(probably was jacking around, hit the feeder and broke his neck). They have a funny way of doing that.

On another note, for all the hard core Breeder haters. If you think it was hard to find a reasonable hunting lease before ??? Wait until they DO outlaw breeding deer in Texas. All of these "supposed" rich guys are gonna have to turn their BIG money towards leasing land out from under whomever they can. Sky is the limit!!!!!
So unless you own a ranch or hunt for free somewhere, I don't think I would be eagerly chomping at the bits for the breeders to be shut down.

I do hope that the TWPD finds the end of the line in their testing, and can put this behind us.

I went to Mexico a long time ago to get away from them...no worries here