A question got me to thinking...

[Traildust]

Come oooonnnnnn hunting season!

[sethcros]

Come oooonnnnnn hunting season!

That's what I'm saying, geeze.

Kids these days!
-said every generation in regards to the kids of their time

[Goldeneagle]

Well done Mike! With me working in a shop and our grandaughter living here, sometimes it's hard to come home and watch my language. I've explained to Alexis that a lot of the guys I work with talk like that and I try not to. She jumps me every time a bad word comes out now. Your post are dead on brutha. There is no discipline anymore. If I got in trouble in school, the teacher whipped out a paddle right there in class, then the principle would lay his paddle on my rear and when dad got home the worst part came. He wore those skinny leather belts that were maybe 3/8 wide. Like getting whipped with a buggy whip. Now if a child goes to school and a teacher see's a bruise on a kid, CPS will be banging on your door.

I agree with your assessment Mike but I think the most unrecognized contributing factor that's led to our country's overall immoral breakdown has been....believe it or not...technology. There is no family time anymore since we've become a society driven and conditioned by the cell phone-smart phone-iPad-social media influence.

Kids nowadays don't know what it's like to just have a stick and a ball and go outside and play. They're conditioned by what they see on TV. All the cussing used to just be in the movies...now it's glorified by the press or media everyday in the regular news channels.

Principals and teachers can't or won't discipline kids in our schools now...in fear of being sued by little Johnny's irresponsible parents that didn't teach him how to behave in the first place.
I used to get all worked up over this but to be honest....as I get older I'm reminded and realize it's God's destiny for us. Remember, his prophecy was that Greed would destroy us. It has been written and we were warned about this long ago. It's just sad that...unless it happens soon, our children and their children have to endure more of what's to come.
Stop worrying because all we can do now is get right with God...he's already told us what is going to happen and who will make it through.

You are right sir. The main thing that get's to me is the technology part. Technology in the work place is a good thing. Technology at home can be a double edged sword. Schools out for the summer. Every time I drive through the neighborhood, I see not one single kid playing outside. The only time we came in was to eat or go to bed. And you can't blame it on the heat. I was born and raised right here running the concrete streets of Dallas. It was just as hot then as it is now. Plus we ran them barefooted probably 90% of the time. Video games and such have been the demise of our youth today. Plus all the durn yankee's movin down here that are scared of the heat.

[sethcros]

Well done Mike! With me working in a shop and our grandaughter living here, sometimes it's hard to come home and watch my language. I've explained to Alexis that a lot of the guys I work with talk like that and I try not to. She jumps me every time a bad word comes out now. Your post are dead on brutha. There is no discipline anymore. If I got in trouble in school, the teacher whipped out a paddle right there in class, then the principle would lay his paddle on my rear and when dad got home the worst part came. He wore those skinny leather belts that were maybe 3/8 wide. Like getting whipped with a buggy whip. Now if a child goes to school and a teacher see's a bruise on a kid, CPS will be banging on your door.




You are right sir. The main thing that get's to me is the technology part. Technology in the work place is a good thing. Technology at home can be a double edged sword. Schools out for the summer. Every time I drive through the neighborhood, I see not one single kid playing outside. The only time we came in was to eat or go to bed. And you can't blame it on the heat. I was born and raised right here running the concrete streets of Dallas. It was just as hot then as it is now. Plus we ran them barefooted probably 90% of the time. Video games and such have been the demise of our youth today. Plus all the durn yankee's movin down here that are scared of the heat.

I agree with much of this. The one thing people need to realize though is that the past wasn't exactly perfect. The over reaction or over caution with respect to cps and such was because of underreaction that often occurred in the past. Child abuse does take place, and in the past more people were willing to say "we'll it's none of my business".. CPS isn't getting called if a teacher sees a bruise, but if there is a pattern that they notice, they have a duty to report it. There good and bad things about every period of time. Recognizing and dealing with child abuse is generally a good thing, even if sometimes there's an overreaction

[Goldeneagle]

I agree with much of this. The one thing people need to realize though is that the past wasn't exactly perfect. The over reaction or over caution with respect to cps and such was because of underreaction that often occurred in the past. Child abuse does take place, and in the past more people were willing to say "we'll it's none of my business".. CPS isn't getting called if a teacher sees a bruise, but if there is a pattern that they notice, they have a duty to report it. There good and bad things about every period of time. Recognizing and dealing with child abuse is generally a good thing, even if sometimes there's an overreaction

We have delt with CPS because a teacher saw a bruise. A couple of bruises really. The weekend we took my grandaughters training wheels off her bike, she fell a couple of times. That Monday evening, CPS knocked on our door because the teacher called them. Never asked us or Alexis what happened. Thats twice now we have had to deal with CPS because someone stuck their nose in our business without knowing the facts of the situation. And I will tell you this, CPS is the work of the devil. They are in business to destroy families. Even with the neighbors witnessing what happened, the CPS lady would not listen or entertain any kind of thoughts or reasoning that would stop her from taking Alexis away from us. It took legal action both times to stop them.

[sethcros]

We have delt with CPS because a teacher saw a bruise. A couple of bruises really. The weekend we took my grandaughters training wheels off her bike, she fell a couple of times. That Monday evening, CPS knocked on our door because the teacher called them. Never asked us or Alexis what happened. Thats twice now we have had to deal with CPS because someone stuck their nose in our business without knowing the facts of the situation. And I will tell you this, CPS is the work of the devil. They are in business to destroy families. Even with the neighbors witnessing what happened, the CPS lady would not listen or entertain any kind of thoughts or reasoning that would stop her from taking Alexis away from us. It took legal action both times to stop them.

It's obviously terrible what you had to go through. I wouldn't wish being accused of something they didn't do on anyone. What in your opinion is the answer? Do we just let kids get abused because it's no one elses business? Im not defending bad CPS investigators, but how many times do you think in actual abuse cases that thry have heard that little Johnny fell down the stairs? I'm sure about a million.

[Goldeneagle]

It's obviously terrible what you had to go through. I wouldn't wish being accused of something they didn't do on anyone. What in your opinion is the answer? Do we just let kids get abused because it's no one elses business? Im not defending bad CPS investigators, but how many times do you think in actual abuse cases that thry have heard that little Johnny fell down the stairs? I'm sure about a million.

I'm sure CPS does good most of the time. But, when they get on a case, they don't quit no matter what happened. We had witnesses both times and CPS had no evidence of wrong doing. But they were relentless. I'm just sayin that if you call them on someone, have your facts straight first because the other family is in for a rough ride no matter what happened.

[sethcros]

I'm sure CPS does good most of the time. But, when they get on a case, they don't quit no matter what happened. We had witnesses both times and CPS had no evidence of wrong doing. But they were relentless. I'm just sayin that if you call them on someone, have your facts straight first because the other family is in for a rough ride no matter what happened.

Oh I absolutely agree with you. You are guilty until proved innocent which is not really the way it should be, but when it comes to the welfare of children, I guess you have to get them out of the potential situation to figure out what's going on.

[Matt2006Martin]

It's the sign of the times 21 century ...it's proably a rarity mom or dads cooking breakfast or pack lunch during school anymore (without a cell phone) near by. Gadgets of all types electronic have taken over the place of parents and that's NO BS...if you want a answer to something GOOGLE it ,advise GOOGLE,friendship GOOGLE, don't get me wrong Im Sure some parents still do ,but the % I would say is slim. Next time you get out look at kids and chances are they have there face or ear planted into some form electronic. Like any thing in life supply and demand Dictate our life

[wanderin39]

I agree with you Mr. Cooper. And the way we have voted to let our government take the option of Christ from school. Government that does not respect laws they wrote. The children see all this on television every day.

[steve corn]

In some cases you are right. But I have seen good kids come from bad homes and bad kids come from good homes. All I could do as a parent was teach my kids that there is an out come to every choice they made. If they did the right things mostly good this come back and if it didn't I backed they all the way. When they made bad choices mostly bad things came from that. If I found out they made bad choices they sure found out the price they had to pay and it was not good for their posterior.

[nursejenn]

I agree with much of this. The one thing people need to realize though is that the past wasn't exactly perfect. The over reaction or over caution with respect to cps and such was because of underreaction that often occurred in the past. Child abuse does take place, and in the past more people were willing to say "we'll it's none of my business".. CPS isn't getting called if a teacher sees a bruise, but if there is a pattern that they notice, they have a duty to report it. There good and bad things about every period of time. Recognizing and dealing with child abuse is generally a good thing, even if sometimes there's an overreaction

We have delt with CPS because a teacher saw a bruise. A couple of bruises really. The weekend we took my grandaughters training wheels off her bike, she fell a couple of times. That Monday evening, CPS knocked on our door because the teacher called them. Never asked us or Alexis what happened. Thats twice now we have had to deal with CPS because someone stuck their nose in our business without knowing the facts of the situation. And I will tell you this, CPS is the work of the devil. They are in business to destroy families. Even with the neighbors witnessing what happened, the CPS lady would not listen or entertain any kind of thoughts or reasoning that would stop her from taking Alexis away from us. It took legal action both times to stop them.

It's obviously terrible what you had to go through. I wouldn't wish being accused of something they didn't do on anyone. What in your opinion is the answer? Do we just let kids get abused because it's no one elses business? Im not defending bad CPS investigators, but how many times do you think in actual abuse cases that thry have heard that little Johnny fell down the stairs? I'm sure about a million.

I'm sure CPS does good most of the time. But, when they get on a case, they don't quit no matter what happened. We had witnesses both times and CPS had no evidence of wrong doing. But they were relentless. I'm just sayin that if you call them on someone, have your facts straight first because the other family is in for a rough ride no matter what happened.

Oh I absolutely agree with you. You are guilty until proved innocent which is not really the way it should be, but when it comes to the welfare of children, I guess you have to get them out of the potential situation to figure out what's going on.

In the business to destroy families? That is absolutely not true. The system in texas is so overburdoned that taking kids from families and adding to that situation is the last thing anyone truly wants. It's traumatic NO matter what for a child to be removed from their home and should be a last resort.

Yes there are some bad investigators out there but to make a blanket statement like that is sad really. It's ****ed if you do and ****ed if you dont. Kid dies in a parents home and CPS didn't have enough to remove the first couple of cases and they don't do enough. Kid is removed or temporarily placed with another family member because there was something seriously suspicious and it's over stepping.

Now, let me say first that in no way should ANY of yall take my next statements personally or as if im accusing anyone of anything improper but it's the reality of where i spent 7 years of my life... I was a child abuse investigator with CPS for 7 years and I can't even begin to tell you the things I've seen, heard, and been told by children. Dead babies, kids with bruises in places they shouldn't even have them, babies with 20+ broken bones, kids so malnourished they're half the size of a normal child their age, kids as young as 3 who've told me sexual things done to them by an adult they should have been able to trust... need I go on? Whats been seen can not be unseen and some of those things will stick with me the rest of my life. Especially the questions of what if we'd have gotten to this family sooner? Many of us investigators carried and still carry that on our shoulders daily even though it's been 2 years since I left. We spend less time with our own families than we do the families were trying to help because really, a majority don't need our help because the call was BS, there is a percentage that isn't BS and something DOES need to be done. The only way to know us to look into it so if a policy of asking questions in every case reported, saves JUST ONE child from living in their own personal hell, then sorry it offended you but it's **** well worth it. I am probably one of the most conservative people I know when it comes to government overreach in our lives but when it comes to defenseless kids at the mercy of abusive or neglectful parents, I make no apologies for my position. It's never not someone else's business if there's a legitimate suspicion. Again I'm not defending the bad apples at all but they're really few and far between.

[sethcros]

In the business to destroy families? That is absolutely not true. The system in texas is so overburdoned that taking kids from families and adding to that situation is the last thing anyone truly wants. It's traumatic NO matter what for a child to be removed from their home and should be a last resort.

Yes there are some bad investigators out there but to make a blanket statement like that is sad really. It's ****ed if you do and ****ed if you dont. Kid dies in a parents home and CPS didn't have enough to remove the first couple of cases and they don't do enough. Kid is removed or temporarily placed with another family member because there was something seriously suspicious and it's over stepping.

Now, let me say first that in no way should ANY of yall take my next statements personally or as if im accusing anyone of anything improper but it's the reality of where i spent 7 years of my life... I was a child abuse investigator with CPS for 7 years and I can't even begin to tell you the things I've seen, heard, and been told by children. Dead babies, kids with bruises in places they shouldn't even have them, babies with 20+ broken bones, kids so malnourished they're half the size of a normal child their age, kids as young as 3 who've told me sexual things done to them by an adult they should have been able to trust... need I go on? Whats been seen can not be unseen and some of those things will stick with me the rest of my life. Especially the questions of what if we'd have gotten to this family sooner? Many of us investigators carried and still carry that on our shoulders daily even though it's been 2 years since I left. We spend less time with our own families than we do the families were trying to help because really, a majority don't need our help because the call was BS, there is a percentage that isn't BS and something DOES need to be done. The only way to know us to look into it so if a policy of asking questions in every case reported, saves JUST ONE child from living in their own personal hell, then sorry it offended you but it's **** well worth it. I am probably one of the most conservative people I know when it comes to government overreach in our lives but when it comes to defenseless kids at the mercy of abusive or neglectful parents, I make no apologies for my position. It's never not someone else's business if there's a legitimate suspicion. Again I'm not defending the bad apples at all but they're really few and far between.

Amen

[txpitdog]

I don't think it's any worse now than it was 25 years ago. There are good kids, and there are good kids that go through a rebellious stage, and there are punks who become better people later in life, and there are dirt bags that are no good their whole lives. Maybe kids tend to be more rebellious these says because of the attention they can get through the internet, but I don't think a bigger percentage of kids are more towards the dirt bag side.

I was a punk *** when I was young. Disrespectful, anti-social, anti-cop, running with the wrong crowd and getting into a LOT of trouble...most of which I fortunately never got busted for. It was right around age 22 that I realized that it didn't look so cool to be doing the things I was doing when I saw a 39 year old doing them. Or listening to some other guys bragging about what they got away with in jail. I figured at that point I'd had my fun, was **** lucky I hadn't crippled my future, and got my attitude fixed. Nowadays I look back and see the things I missed because of the things I thought I was getting away with, but when I look at today's young people I don't see anything different or worse than what I did...just maybe a little bit more showy about what they do or say.

[Hogman7290]

Where's Ragin?????????? Sure miss her.