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    Being a lease manager can be stressful (long read)

    Had one of our hunters make a mistake last week. It is in our lease rules that culls/management bucks have to be approved by the owner. The sequence of getting one approved, is to have a picture of the deer from a TC or take it in the field. The hunter sends it to me and/or my co-lease manager. We then send the pic to the owner, and he says yes or no. We then provide the hunters with as many pictures as possible and put the deer on our hitlist board. I know that it might sound like a pain, but it is better than what was originally proposed to us before we took over the lease. The land owner originally wanted each hunter to just be able to shoot 1 trophy, 1 spike and TBD does. I convinced him to not dismiss the idea of us shooting management bucks because we are long term minded and understand the importance of harvesting management bucks. He agreed that we can shoot management bucks as long as he approves it and it will count as our spike. If we shoot two management bucks, one would count as our trophy......Pretty simple. I completely understand why he wants to approve the culls because a lot of hunters will try to stretch bucks into management category when the really are not, just to shoot an additional good buck.

    When we made the lease rules, they were about as clear as it gets. We even sent numerous group emails talking about the approved culls and encouraged all hunters to send us anything that they might think needs to be culled so we could get them approved before the season. Our overall deer herd looks really good. There were only two bucks, of the 5, I sent to the owner that he gave the green light on. One of the bucks is a wide 4 pt with no brow tines. We guesstimate him to be 3.5 years old. The other one was a tall 7pt that should have been an 8 if he had both brow tines. Shed hunting this spring, I found several sheds without a GROWN brow tine....Keep in mind I'm not talking about broke. Talking to the landowner I expressed a strong emphasis on bucks like that being a big focal point of getting approved for culls. This past Monday the 7pt came out on me, and I got him.....So now we are down to just the 4pt (other than spikes) for our management deer. Granted we can get culls approved during season as well. The lease member that messed up helped me load the 7pt in the back of my truck. I remember even telling him "We are now down to one approved cull, the slick horned 4".

    On Tuesday, the member decided to take it upon himself and shoot what he thought was a buck missing a brow tine. He was right, it was missing a brow tine.... But it was broke. I can't remember the last time I was so upset. I asked him why in the world he shot? he said "I thought he didn't have a brow tine, and that's why I shot him. I didn't realize it was broke". I then began to tell him that he was not approved and that he had absolutely no right to make that decision.

    As it sits now, the lease member shot a 2.5 year old 8pt with a broke brow tine as his TROPHY. What chaps me the most is it's almost like he didn't even read the rules.

    I know I'm not the only lease manager that has had stressful situations. Let's hear them!

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    These are pictures of the approved cull that was harvested




    This is the Hunter mistake. I really find it hard to call it a mistake though. It was a deliberate act breaking lease rules and landowner rules.

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      #3
      Years ago we had a place in the hill country. Biologist told us deer survey said to shoot 20 does and only 8 mature bucks. With 8 lease members we each got a buck. Opening weekend one of the older guys on the lease shot 2 young bucks ( he said they were 8 pointers so they had to be mature) within 10 minutes of each other. I asked him why he shot the young bucks (and 2 of them at that) he said he wanted the meat and won't shoot a momma deer. Needless to say he was not welcomed back.

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        #4
        I understand the need.....but I wouldn't be on the lease....

        A pic of a deer on camera looks different then a deer in the field....to me anyway....

        If a land owner cant trust his lease manager to run the lease properly then he should find a new lease manager.....he should give you the rules and let you enforce them

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          #5
          Ive never been on a hard core managed lease, so please excuse my ignorance on my question.

          Why would the landowner have say on what is killed?

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            #6
            Originally posted by MacDaddy67 View Post
            I understand the need.....but I wouldn't be on the lease....

            A pic of a deer on camera looks different then a deer in the field....to me anyway....

            If a land owner cant trust his lease manager to run the lease properly then he should find a new lease manager.....he should give you the rules and let you enforce them
            That trust is something I feel I need to earn. I do see your point but my issue is not with the landowner. I think eventually he will let me make the calls. Even if I get to make the calls in the future, I will have to have hunters that I can trust to make good decisions. I'm afraid that this thread will reveal that they are hard to find.

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              #7
              I'd say he just got his trophy buck and is not allowed another buck. Simple mistake, I'm sure according to him and simple solution to me. No hard feelings just hold him accountable. I know LM can be. Beating at times.

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                #8
                I don't understand intentionally breaking the rules. That just makes no sense.

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                  #9
                  everyone on our lease is tbh members.......

                  all great guys

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                    #10
                    I am our lease "boss".
                    Only four of us and always err on the conservative side since we only allowed to shoot one buck per family. Too good of lease to risk losing.
                    When a son shot a young buck, landowner simply said great deer and that was their trophy buck.
                    Our culls must also be approved by trail cam photos
                    Not much stress for me
                    BP

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                      #11
                      Ah.... Did I miss something? In your rules did you establish what were the repurcussions. I mean, it sounds like you boys spent some time establishing what can and can not be harvested. As a former lease manager, this will happen and there has to be a protocol for when it does. And if I can add... If this is the maddest you have gotten in a while...you might want to re-evaluate your priorities....it's only deer hunting. But don't get me wrong, I would be a bit chapped as the dude did violate a rule that sounded fairly well clear. You do have a written set if rules yes?

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                        #12
                        Even the brow tine that isn't broken isn't much of one and could be missed depending on light conditions. I'd say it's just a mistake. Either way, he payed his money and now he has meat in the freezer. I'd like to manage and kill big bucks, but I also hunt for food. I try to let them grow, but if I'm hungry, Im shooting. This is why I'll probably never be on a lease.
                        Last edited by Sleepy; 11-09-2014, 10:14 PM.

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                          #13
                          Ahhh! The no fun lease at it finest!would not even consider hunting a place like this!.Sorry!

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                            #14
                            I've been managing my hunting lease for 24 years now. Yes it's very stressful. If hunting wasn't such a passion for me I wouldn't be the lease boss cuz it aint worth the headache. I've had to kick people off before. It's never fun. Too many stories to tell, and I don't want to get upset . Good luck to you

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                              #15
                              Um is it just me or did a fellow TBH member post the kill of this deer in a thread? I sure thought I had seen it. Or it was on a Facebook hunting page. But have seen that pic before of that buck.

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