What if divorce was NOT an option?

[M-2]

But isn't marriage a Judeo-Christian ideal?

Not originally, since marriage pre-dates Jews and Christians.

[Blood Trail]

Not originally, since marriage pre-dates Jews and Christians.

Ummm, I don't think the history of mankind predates Adam and Eve...
Gen.2:24
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

I'm talking about from a western culture standpoint. Our marriage system is based on Judeo-Christian tradition.

[Lady Archer]

That's a terrible situation and a very pointed question.

It's easy to sit back and armchair quarterback and say I would do this or do that. Truth is none of us know til we are placed in that situation. Truthfully, my initial gut response to your post was, " well geez didn't she know before she got married what a jerk & drunk he was."

That's the flesh, human self righteous speaking. What I do know is this, Christ does not view your mom that way and He experiences pain for her because He desperately wants her to see herself with the same worth with which He sees her, after all He died for her.

I also know that he also loves her ex husband and died for him just the same.

I don't know if divorce in and of itself is a sin, or if its the selfish hateful behavior and attitude that surrounds divorce. What I do know is that God hates divorce (Mal 2:16). I don't believe that this has to do with any sort of written law of God as much as it has to do with God's love for us as His children and there are no two ways about it, DIVORCE SUCKS AND IS MEAN!

That was a lesson I learned through my own divorce process last summer. By the grace of God my marriage was restored and me and my wife redeemed. Thats a long story, but I will leave it at this. If the 5 years of hell my wife and I put each other through was the price of admission for the joy our marriage is now, it's the most sound investment I have or will ever make.

You might ad a request for a little humility in your prayers tonight.

[Lady Archer]

This. Read the NT. it's in there either 1st or 2nd Cor.

Sorry, but I don't need a bible passage to tell me to get the hell out of an obviously bad situation. Nor do I need guilt or disapproval from those who haven't walked a step in my shoes.

[M-2]

Ummm, I don't think the history of mankind predates Adam and Eve...
Gen.2:24
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

I'm talking about from a western culture standpoint. Our marriage system is based on Judeo-Christian tradition.

And I was talking about marriage worldwide/historywide.
People were marrying without ever having read Genesis. Or reading anything at all.

[Blood Trail]

Sorry, but I don't need a bible passage to tell me to get the hell out of an obviously bad situation. Nor do I need guilt or disapproval from those who haven't walked a step in my shoes.

Woah, chill out woman, I'm on your side.

[Lady Archer]

Sorry. That came out way harsh...a lot more than I meant it to. I just meant to say that common sense, not a bible verse, should tell you that it's not wrong to get out of an abusive marriage.

It's just a sensitive subject. My mom is convinced she's going to hell because she divorced my dad. But there isn't a more saintly woman on this earth.

[VorTexan]

Who was the first married couple?

[cbd10pt]

I struggle with this sometimes. SO, what you are saying is I can go do ANYTHING I want to. whenever I want to. without worry of consequences as long as I ask God forgiveness after its ok?

this is why I dont go to church. I feel that MOST that go to church for this reason (to ask forgiveness for the sinful lives they lead). BUT, continue doing so.

Not that I have a good answer. I just struggle with it... So all the people in prison etc... thats who I am going to be in heaven with. No matter what they have done or will still do if they were let out. because they prayed to God one night asking for forgiveness everything is ok?

THEN who is going to hell? I guess no one as long as they ask for forgiveness or repent?

it has nothing to do with asking for forgiveness only trusting Christ to pay for our sin debt.we are to ask for forgiveness and repent to maintain our fellowship not our relationship. God uses the relationship with our father as an example of our relationship with him our Father will always be our Father no matter what we do.

many years ago we had a paint contractor who was a great guy and a Christian who trusted Christ to take care of his sin debt. he developed a tumor the protruded from his temple and had stems that went down into the spine the pressure on his brain drove him nuts 1 day and he killed himself and his girlfriend. he was a really nice guy that could handle the pickiest customer without ever losing his smile.why did God allow this to happen I will never know but I do know that God has a bigger plan than we can imagine and I just don't question Him anymore sometimes death can be very merciful

[ram6256]

I am sorry that I have missed this thread fora day...I was taking care of my kids. I have a very hard time fathoming how many people think that divorce is taking the EASY way out, and that divorce is selfish. If one does not take care of themself, then who is responsible? To think that anyone else is responsible is ridiculous and not accepting responsibility of/for your own well being. If you HAVE done, and tried and the situation does not change then what is the alternative. If you continue to stay in a toxic environment for the other party or what is considered to be the "right" reasons then, yourself will become toxic and not healthy for the relationship.
I do believe that at times things can be worked out and realigned, but that does REQUIRE both parties to participate. So, according to what has been put in this thread you are supposed to stay in this kind of relationship.
I stated in my original post that this divorce was the hardest thing I have EVER done, I think most who have gone through a divorce will tell you that.
Oh, by the way, before there was no fault divorce, most persons got separated and never sustained the relationship, and NO ONE could move on without the possibility of being charged with bigamy.
Roy

[BrandonA]

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Sorry, but I don't need a bible passage to tell me to get the hell out of an obviously bad situation. Nor do I need guilt or disapproval from those who haven't walked a step in my shoes.

Preach on girlfriend!!!

[JSF]

Sorry, but I don't need a bible passage to tell me to get the hell out of an obviously bad situation. Nor do I need guilt or disapproval from those who haven't walked a step in my shoes.

And the mike hits the floor!

[ZackM]

And the mike hits the floor!

[Shane]

Sorry. That came out way harsh...a lot more than I meant it to. I just meant to say that common sense, not a bible verse, should tell you that it's not wrong to get out of an abusive marriage.

It's just a sensitive subject. My mom is convinced she's going to hell because she divorced my dad. But there isn't a more saintly woman on this earth.

I sure wouldn't my mom or daughter to stay in an abusive relationship. If anybody wants to get biblical about it, the Bible tells husbands to love their wives like Christ loves the church (hint: He was willing to die to save us.) That's the exact opposite of abusing your wife. God bless your mom.

[Pablo Honey]

Things I love about TBH...
Guys that don't own a Yeti hate them, Folks that haven't been to Mexico ever/in the past 5 years are pros about how dangerous it is and folks that have never been divorced or in a bad marriage know more about it than people who have lived it.

Just saying....