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    Question about being busted by deer vs just not seeing them

    Disclaimer: This started off as a simple question for those more experienced, but ended up as a question followed by a rant, sorry about that.

    Okay guys, I have a dilemma that is really starting to bug the crud out of me. On my lease, I KNOW the deer are there, I have pictures of them, the sign is literally EVERYWHERE, yet I rarely ever actually see any deer when I'm there. I have heard them blow at me on occasion, but also hear them blow from up wind, which has me all confused, but more often than not, I sit in the blind until I just can't sit anymore, and don't see or hear anything that resembles a deer. Do you think I'm getting busted and they are just calmly going in another direction without blowing, or are they just not moving in my area? I do everything right I think, and I've tried many different experiments to try and fool them, but nothing has worked. I shower with scent free before leaving the house (unfortunately don't have a shower on the lease, yet), wash my clothes with scent free, bag them up in a plastic bag to keep them from getting contaminated, change at the property, spray down, wipe with scent killer wipes between hunts since I can't shower, approach my blinds with the wind in my face, I've experimented with cover scents, every attractant under the sun, hunting trails (but when there is a heavily used trail every 40-50 yards, which one do you choose?), I'm as quiet as I can be and try to sit as still as possible, nothing seems to work. Hand corn won't get touched while I'm there, but if I go back the next morning, it's gone.

    I'm leaning more toward the idea that they somehow know I'm there and exactly where I'm sitting, as I can check cameras and the deer would be at every feeder except the one I was at during the time I was hunting. Granted, the deer movement has been almost 100% night time activity this season, but starting a couple of weeks ago, I started getting more an more daylight pics, yet when I'm there hunting, NO DEER! It's really frustrating. I've ordered an ozone generator, and the FedEx guy tried to deliver it today, but I was at the lease so he just left a door tag, won't be back until Dec. 26th, but I'm starting to worry that there is something else going on that the ozone won't fix. This is my second year on this lease, and I contemplated getting off last year because I shot the one and only deer I saw in bow range all season. I blamed the horrible season last year on the drought, which was followed by some heavy rain that caused everything to really green up to the point that the deer didn't even come near the feeders. This year, I'm blaming the bad hunting on the acorn crop, combined with the warm weather and what seemed like really high winds every weekend, leading to near 100% nighttime movement. I have opted to give this lease one more year, as I think the weather has really hurt us the last two years and the place looks super promising, and I've got pictures of some really nice bucks. I've already gave my word that I'll be there next year, along with 3 buddies, but I'm beginning to think that there is something wrong on this place. It was a day lease, but that was long enough ago that none of those day lease deer are still alive. I do have a theory though, that only the smart deer survived the day lease era, and smart deer give birth to smart fawns, making the hunting HARD even a decade or more later. Still, even that doesn't explain the near total lack of deer sightings. I've logged more hours on stand than I care to count in the last two seasons, and have seen very few deer while hunting. Like I said, I KNOW they are there, but somehow, they seem to know I'm there too! I think after next season, if there is not a real noticeable improvement on this place, there will be 3-4 more TBH members (me and my buddies) looking for a place to hunt again. Thanks for any insight you guys may have on my situation, and thanks for reading this long rant.

    #2
    That's a long read

    No answers for you but I know my deer will sense I'm there in the blind but yet won't run out of the feeder pen when I drive up to fill the feeder.

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      #3
      Originally posted by txfireguy2003 View Post
      Disclaimer: This started off as a simple question for those more experienced, but ended up as a question followed by a rant, sorry about that.

      Okay guys, I have a dilemma that is really starting to bug the crud out of me. On my lease, I KNOW the deer are there, I have pictures of them, the sign is literally EVERYWHERE, yet I rarely ever actually see any deer when I'm there. I have heard them blow at me on occasion, but also hear them blow from up wind, which has me all confused, but more often than not, I sit in the blind until I just can't sit anymore, and don't see or hear anything that resembles a deer. Do you think I'm getting busted and they are just calmly going in another direction without blowing, or are they just not moving in my area? I do everything right I think, and I've tried many different experiments to try and fool them, but nothing has worked. I shower with scent free before leaving the house (unfortunately don't have a shower on the lease, yet), wash my clothes with scent free, bag them up in a plastic bag to keep them from getting contaminated, change at the property, spray down, wipe with scent killer wipes between hunts since I can't shower, approach my blinds with the wind in my face, I've experimented with cover scents, every attractant under the sun, hunting trails (but when there is a heavily used trail every 40-50 yards, which one do you choose?), I'm as quiet as I can be and try to sit as still as possible, nothing seems to work. Hand corn won't get touched while I'm there, but if I go back the next morning, it's gone.

      I'm leaning more toward the idea that they somehow know I'm there and exactly where I'm sitting, as I can check cameras and the deer would be at every feeder except the one I was at during the time I was hunting. Granted, the deer movement has been almost 100% night time activity this season, but starting a couple of weeks ago, I started getting more an more daylight pics, yet when I'm there hunting, NO DEER! It's really frustrating. I've ordered an ozone generator, and the FedEx guy tried to deliver it today, but I was at the lease so he just left a door tag, won't be back until Dec. 26th, but I'm starting to worry that there is something else going on that the ozone won't fix. This is my second year on this lease, and I contemplated getting off last year because I shot the one and only deer I saw in bow range all season. I blamed the horrible season last year on the drought, which was followed by some heavy rain that caused everything to really green up to the point that the deer didn't even come near the feeders. This year, I'm blaming the bad hunting on the acorn crop, combined with the warm weather and what seemed like really high winds every weekend, leading to near 100% nighttime movement. I have opted to give this lease one more year, as I think the weather has really hurt us the last two years and the place looks super promising, and I've got pictures of some really nice bucks. I've already gave my word that I'll be there next year, along with 3 buddies, but I'm beginning to think that there is something wrong on this place. It was a day lease, but that was long enough ago that none of those day lease deer are still alive. I do have a theory though, that only the smart deer survived the day lease era, and smart deer give birth to smart fawns, making the hunting HARD even a decade or more later. Still, even that doesn't explain the near total lack of deer sightings. I've logged more hours on stand than I care to count in the last two seasons, and have seen very few deer while hunting. Like I said, I KNOW they are there, but somehow, they seem to know I'm there too! I think after next season, if there is not a real noticeable improvement on this place, there will be 3-4 more TBH members (me and my buddies) looking for a place to hunt again. Thanks for any insight you guys may have on my situation, and thanks for reading this long rant.

      Maybe you're trying too hard. Instead of the scent free, go in as normal or try smoke.

      Try getting off the feeder and hunting trails. No corn, no pop up..nothing to alert them.

      It's been a tough year.

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        #4
        How far away are you parking from your stand? Do you have a loud truck or 4 wheeler?

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          #5
          Wow. Maybe you should take up golf. Your doing Something wrong. Get up high 30 ft plus if you can

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            #6
            Never been in your shoes so i have no advice. I have always thought some places/areas are just harder hunting than others. I see deer almost every trip out, but i have buddies that have hunted all season and not seen any at all.
            From what you described i wouldnt think it would be a scent problem, but good luck with the ozonics- hope it makes a difference for you!

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              #7
              Didn't see what you wear for boots but I know a good set of rubber boots go along way for the deer to not track you into an area leather boots and similar materials leave a scent trail right to you.

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                #8
                BigThicket...thanks for the advice, but that ain't happening. I tried golf once, I'm pretty sure I could make a better score if they'd let me shoot at the ball with my rifles....308 for a driver, 17 for a putter, I bet I could get closer to the hole with less shots than I can with clubs. As far as getting high up in a tree....that won't work either, the whole place is almost nothing but cedars and the few bigger trees don't have many places to hang a stand, although I do have a couple of tree stands set, but about 10-15 feet is as high as I can get them, and even then, they're not really set up as well as I would like, just limited options with these trees.

                EastTx, I do have a loud truck, but only take my 4 wheeler to the field anymore. It's louder than some because it's a continuously variable automatic transmission, so the motor stays at a higher RPM than it would if I could shift into a higher gear and drop the RPM down. I have different parking areas, but they are generally at least a couple hundred yards away from the blind, and recently, I've been parking even further away, like 400-600 yards away I'm guessing.

                TxAg, thanks, I may try hunting a trail with no bait other than a block and a camera that's been there for a few months and the deer have been hitting it every day (or evening/night/morning rather, they show up about dark and stay until about daylight), but I always hand corn there to get them to stop where I need them to, maybe I'll try it without the corn. I have tried the smoke from the camp fire with no luck, and today I went in as normal, as I had Kaitlin with me and she had come straight from work yesterday, no scent free routine at all, no luck.

                Roland, I'll give the rubber boots a shot too, I wonder if my neoprene duck waders would work. They ain't real comfy, but the're warm, and they'll ad a thin layer of padding for me to sit on. I just have a hard time paying for insulated rubber boots, and I need the insulation, my feet get COLD when it's chilly out and I'm not moving, I currently wear Danner Pronghorns with 800 grams of Thinsulate and they still get cold. The lease manager was telling me about a month ago that he has started putting small kitchen trashbags over his boots and holding them up with a small bungee cord just beneath his knees and said it seemed to help keep them from busting on his trail.

                Thanks to all, keep the ideas coming. My main question was whether or not it's common for deer to catch scent of a human and just ease off instead of blowing like a shop-vac in reverse and leaving nothing but a dust cloud. I don't think it's just me either, because nobody on the lease has seen much, but we all have shot at least one deer, I'm the only one with two recovered deer. I'm just getting tired of feeding deer I never see, and hearing about guys passing on deer for whatever reason, and seeing deer every sit, when I'm just the opposite, if I SEE a deer, much less get a shot, it's been a good hunt.

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                  #9
                  It may be the4 wheeler that is warning them that you are there. I have watched deer at our lease while I am sitting in my tower stand hunting. A tuck could drive by 300yds away and they would just look up and then go back to what they were doing. If a 4 wheeler or ranger gets within 600 yds they freeze up and then haul a** as fast as they can!!!!

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                    #10
                    Have same problem and moved my stand about 2-250 yds downwind of feeder and have had deer standing in front of me looking and smelling the feeder area. They will walk away and not go to the feeder.

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                      #11
                      You are alerting them to your presence on your way in.

                      The deer are coming from the same place you are. Come in a different way, don't walk game trails in to your set ups.

                      Have a buddy drop you off.

                      Don't go down to your feeders until the last day of your hunt if you have to check cameras or refill feeds.

                      Don't use a cover scent from the store, use a cedar branch from the lease. Store clippings of it with your clothes.

                      Scent away is the best no scent stuff out there, get some if you aren't already using it.

                      Don't take your loud 4 wheeler or diesel truck.

                      Deer are coming when you aren't there... So be minimally invasive when you are there, keep a light foot print, don't add scent to the area that's not there mon-thu. Get some comfortable shoes, and walk.

                      One of those things is killing you, maybe a combo of those things....

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                        #12
                        Have the same problem with out place out in bertram. Mostly they have plain just vanished since October. All spring and summer had two different groups of four to five bucks each with 3 good shooters and haven't seen but a couple of the younger ones. Still have some does around but the rest have left. Did the same thing last year as well then once spring rolled around they were all back. Don't know how to keep them around during the season.

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                          #13
                          Could be you are in the area too much. Sometimes this will drive the mature deer out. Try putting up multiple sets for wind direction (if possible), and only go in when wind is right. Also avoid checking your cameras too much. I noticed that one of my sets always had deer when i wasn't there. Soon realized I was approaching the set wrong and the wind would swirl inside the cedars I was set up in. Fixed the problem and now I see more deer.

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                            #14
                            Sounds like they have your number......

                            Are you on the ground or in a tree?

                            The scent game is one you cannot win 100% unless you are in a tree.

                            If possible I would elevate to a height of around twenty feet or more. That seems to put your scent on a different level where the deer can't pick it up.

                            If you are on the ground, well..........

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                              #15
                              They have you patterned. The deer here at my lease have patterned me so I have changed things up to change my pattern. I've actually started walking from camp most of the time. I also quit hand corning around my spot. Now I throw corn 200 yards away to make them think that's where I'm at when I'm actually at my set up. They will come in to my feeders while I'm there now.

                              You just need to throw them off your pattern and trick them. Like was said before, have somebody drop you off if possible.

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