So, Is Lance a cheat?

[blacksunshine]

Why didn't he get a gold in the Olympics?

[Mister Bubba's bulletman]

It wreaks of European jealousy to me and it burns me up.

I would agree with you on that but they eat their own too. In this thread I've listed two five time winners, a Spaniard and Belgium dude who were caught doping.

[Mister Bubba's bulletman]

Why didn't he get a gold in the Olympics?

They announced they were going to dope test the Gold and silver only so he won the bronze? I don't' know.

[Dale Moser]

He sits on my shoulder eating crumbs till 8:30 then growls and goes off to bed. It's a dogs life.

We should all be so lucky!

I would agree with you on that but they eat their own too. In this thread I've listed two five time winners, a Spaniard and Belgium dude who were caught doping.

If I'm not mistaken they caught all those guys with their normal gammut of tests, rather than a decade long witch hunt, or focussed assault.

[Mister Bubba's bulletman]

We should all be so lucky!



If I'm not mistaken they caught all those guys with their normal gammut of tests, rather than a decade long witch hunt, or focused assault.

Yea I don't think they took the test threat very seriously back then. Heck. We were giving our flight crews speed to stay awake on long bombing runs into a Vietnam. I remember when you could buy black betties at Utotum.

I think they've stayed after Lance so long because they know how hard it is to stay on top in that race and no one has ever done that many without cheating. His team was cheating so he was to. Very few get caught at it but it happens.

If he ever admits it then what? They took Floyd's title didn't they. The UCI has to ask themselves how far back do they go then taking titles away? They might not want to answer that one.

[Dale Moser]

They will likely take them away, but they can never make him un-win them.

[Draco]

You are absolutely right on this Dale.

[Mister Bubba's bulletman]

They will likely take them away, but they can never make him un-win them.

Like someone said earlier, they can take away Joe Pa's wins but they stilled happened.

There's no easy outcome to any of this.

[Dale Moser]

Like someone said earlier, they can take away Joe Pa's wins but they stilled happened.

Meeeeehhhhhh...... Jo Pa will forever be remembered by anyone outside Penn St as a guy who knowingly allowed little boys to be mollested by a miserable excuse for a human for a decade or so.

Lance will be remembered by most of the planet as (among other things) a guy who absolutely dominated his sport for a decade, and may or may not have cheated in the process of stomping yearly mud holes in guys who we KNOW cheated..

[Legdog]

Does it not just irritate the holy hell out of you, the lengths they are going to just to get him? All the tests, congress, years and years, tens of millions of $$$, and all the rest of it.....and they're still trying to break him? It wreaks of European jealousy to me and it burns me up.

Yes it does.

[Tryton]

I didn't read through all posts to see if this information was provided so ignore this if it was. This is from a news article regarding the 2nd place finishers to Lances 7 wins. It would be crazy if the TDF followed the USADA and stripped Lance who has never tested positive and give the title to the 2nd place finishers who have all been caught. Clean or dirty the playing field was even.

As for the runners-up:

• Alex Zülle, 1999: Admitted to French authorities he used EPO over a four-year span after being busted in the Festina Affair the previous summer.

• Jan Ullrich, 2000, 2001, 2003: Admitted doping after he retired; is banned for life.

• Ivan Basso, 2005: Served a two-year suspension for his role in Operation Puerto.

• Joseba Beloki, 2002: Implicated in Operation Puerto; cleared by a Spanish court but never rode competitively again.

• Andreas Klöden, 2004: Was Ullrich's Telekom teammate; has also been dogged by doping allegations for much of his career and might be facing an investigation by Germany's anti-doping agency after a prosecutor said there's "verifiable" evidence he blood-doped in 2006.

[Wampuscat]

It turns an average hitter into a good hitter and a good hitter into a great hitter based on strength/power alone!

You don't last long in baseball if you can't hit the ball.

Maybe we should strip all atheletes of their titles who wear glasses to see. They need them to enhance their performance if they can't see well. Glasses certainly aren't natural for the human body.

[Wampuscat]

I didn't read through all posts to see if this information was provided so ignore this if it was. This is from a news article regarding the 2nd place finishers to Lances 7 wins. It would be crazy if the TDF followed the USADA and stripped Lance who has never tested positive and give the title to the 2nd place finishers who have all been caught. Clean or dirty the playing field was even.

As for the runners-up:

• Alex Zülle, 1999: Admitted to French authorities he used EPO over a four-year span after being busted in the Festina Affair the previous summer.

• Jan Ullrich, 2000, 2001, 2003: Admitted doping after he retired; is banned for life.

• Ivan Basso, 2005: Served a two-year suspension for his role in Operation Puerto.

• Joseba Beloki, 2002: Implicated in Operation Puerto; cleared by a Spanish court but never rode competitively again.

• Andreas Klöden, 2004: Was Ullrich's Telekom teammate; has also been dogged by doping allegations for much of his career and might be facing an investigation by Germany's anti-doping agency after a prosecutor said there's "verifiable" evidence he blood-doped in 2006.

Has anybody ever noticed that Eddy Merkx isn't ever listed in doping conversations? How could he have been such a mad man without doping? Maybe he trained his ***** off too?

[diamondrules]

but they must have something, they are taking away his record now

they are taking his titles because he isnt going to fight it, which to them is an admission of guilt

[Mister Bubba's bulletman]

Has anybody ever noticed that Eddy Merkx isn't ever listed in doping conversations? How could he have been such a mad man without doping? Maybe he trained his ***** off too?

See my post about Eddie and Miguel above. Both were caught doping too. Cycling is the most doped sport in the world. All they are are race horses and if you know about that industry then you understand.

Live from Maudie's!