Minimum draw weight?

[Africanbowhunter]

Last hawg

Apology accepted no hard feelings

When TBot has as shoot at my club range come shoot with me'

Tink

[kfd82]

With the tech. today a 25# draw is sufficient to take deer sized animals. Supposedly the Indians shot around 25# a took game and a few cowboys.The 40# draw weight prevents some people from legally taking game with Archery equip. I think it is a good thing to lower it or remove it.

Glad I read this...I was getting ready to ask if there was any info on what weight Indian bows were.
For that matter maybe Tink knows what weight the tribesmen in Africa normally shoot.

I would think those pieces of info would be very helpful in ending this disagreement we seem to have going.

[Africanbowhunter]

Most African bows are about 30# draw weight

[Africanbowhunter]

Meet Carter Smith new Chief of T P & W

Tonight I spoke out on two issues at TP&W San Antonio Public hearing

I Spoke in favor of moving the age min for hunter education from 12 to 9 years of age for hunter education.

no opposition!


I spoke on supporting T P & W in removing the 40# min on bowhunting gear.

No opposition.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

During My little presentation, he listened well

Afterwords I got to meet Dr Carter Smith and went into details and he agreed with me on both issues.

I was invited to Speak in Austin in Late March before TP&W Again

Carter is a Super guy; very Smart and poised, and I gave him some DVDs and an Autographed photo as well


Told him about OP Bows & Heroes.

Also met Ron Strait A outdoor Writer For San Antonio Express news papers. Super guy Invited me to go shoot hogs with him...

to be contined..............................


Tink

[TimHicks]

Awsome job Tink.

[bowboy]

Isn't 40# low enough? Personaly I think if you get it much lower than that you are going to see ALOT more wounded animals that do not get recovered.

im with him

[Africanbowhunter]

Not True Not factual Please remember that bad shot is a bad shot even with a 100# bow. A sharp Broadhead with a 30# compound will kill any game animals Texas and its been done for thousand of years as the Texas Plain Indians used 25#3 & 30# wooden self and flitn stoen tipped arrow bows to kill my ancestors and the US Army for year 7 years as wellas Bison elk etc..


Kids don't wound, Sir- game audit do

Studies published in Deer & Deer Hunting Magazine shows that male men aged 54 + old with 17 years of bowhunting lost the most deer.

deer are lost with bow and firearms equally. Bowhunters do not wound more deer rifle hunetrs do.

I assure Sir that you don't want a kid shooting at with with a Stinger
Broadhead on a Gold Tip Arrow shot from a 30# Parker Challenger Bow do you?

heck no!

Please read the entire thread before posting next time OK?

Thanks

Tink



PS Lost deer are calculated into our bag limits and season

[qzilla]

im with him

Haven't you figured out your wrong and he's right?

He is 100% against hearing anyone elses feelings, he is 100% against anything else needing to be done. This is his opinion and it is 100% right, correct and scientifically proven through a magazine.

There is no need for any input other than to agree with him on this subject. There is no possible way that he is wrong, there is no possible way anyone will ever shoot a 30# compound and a mechanical head, there is no possible way any of these kids will loose game and there is definitely no possible way that ANY of the parents in the entire state of TX is ever going to use bad judgement given the leniency of this law.

He already knows all of this and anything he says is fact and there is no argument.

[Africanbowhunter]

What if? What if bears had wings? bears would Fly?

Whats to stop a parent from letting his child hunt deer with a 20 GA shotgun & #9 shot?

What if parent told their kids to only take head shots on deer with bows?

What if parent taugh kids to gut shoot deer with guns?

What if parent teach kids to poach with small caliber rifles.

What if parent teach kids to cut hole sin high fences and shoot breeder bucks, etc etc.

What if parent take drugs in front of kids?
What if?

WHAT IF?

The National Bowhunter education Program/foundation teaches and folks learn kids & parent alike to use the best quality match equipment he or she can can afford.

I don't know of any archery dealer in Texas or anywhere else for that matter that would outfit a mech head to a young hunter.



What if ?


What if the hunters' dad had a thick wallet and wanted junior to shoot rabbits with mech heads?

What If?

What if .............What if.................. makes the speaker look bad.


Matched equipment means matched to the shooters size age draw and game hunted.

What this law means is that Roxanne aged 40 with be able to bowhunt deer legally on her deer lease in Kerrville rather than having to kill them in the rifle season with her .243 Win

It means a higher acceptance of ethics so some Dads and sons can hunt legally if they are overstepping a bad law now if daughter cant pull 40#

Now Alexis aged 10 and Jasmine aged 12 can bowhunt deer with their Daddy's next fall. And I will bet good money the will not wounded any deer either.


In Texas the Game & Fish Commission comprised of Hunters and some are Bowhunters, make the laws. They want this one passed Cowboy.

Its a bad law in my opinion whose time has come to go.

Its seldom enforced anyway and Game Wardens have a more serious work load with poaching deer from cars with guns than arresting kids with 35# compound bows.

Its a bad law whose time had come to go.

Tink
Advocate for youth & women in Bowhunting

[Red Dot]

I don't advocate getting rid of a certain draw weight. I just think that the parent or parents should be the judge of when his/her child is ready to really hunt.
JoLea will be 17 in April. She is 81Lb. and stands 4'5.5" high and strongly built. She started out with an 18Lb. draw weight and has moved up to 28Lb. now in only a few short years.
She shoots targets with me all the time. I pull 40Lb. and her arrows go into the target as deeply as mine does. Granted, she uses a very much smaller arrow than I do and a smaller broadhead, but the penetration is exactly the same.
I resent people saying that an excellent shooter like JoLea is not able to hunt with her compound bow that she loves so very much. But then I have to remember the "Macho" men out there that doesn't want anyone else to hunt but him and his buddies. I'd put her up against any of you!!!!!

[Red Dot]

Qzilla, I totally disagree with you!!!! If a parent KNOWS his child can shoot well enough to kill an animal, then I don't see why that child can't do that!!! How old were YOU when you started hunting? 50 or 60???? WERE YOU CAPABLE when you first started hunting??? Do you have children??? I'll be willing to bet that if you do, you spend NO time with him/her. Bet you haven't ever taken one (of yours or anyone else's) with you hunting!!! Not only is that QUALITY time with your child, you are teaching him a sport that many children find exhilirating and satisfying, not to mention your child will know where his dinner actually comes from - from beginning to end. You are also teaching your child survival by taking him/her hunting. Not to maim or harm people, but to protect and respect animals you may come upon. You also teach them respect for humans by taking a child hunting.

How many animals have YOU lost??? I have only been shooting a bow for not quite 5 years and have NEVER lost an animal after I shot it!!!! Can you say that???

I have killed 3 bears, a red doe, an alligator (do you know where to shoot an alligator?) many, many white tail Bucks and does, jack rabbits, squirrels, cotton tails, Fallow deer...all with my bow. Have never had the chance at an Axis, elk,mule deer, etc. And yes, many are trophies.

YES, Tink taught me to shoot. And YES, he does many, many studies on different things. He studies stastictics. He is always reading a book or reading statistics on the internet. How much do you study, sir? How much time have you spent with any child?

[slayer]

Strong words pointed at someone you don't even know! I have two boys, both who shoot bows. I started them with a beginner bow and have patiently worked with them to 28lbs now. They are 10 years old. They are very smart, good shots, not great. I would not trust the AVERAGE young boy or girl to KILL an animal with a bow set at 30lbs. This total thread, everyone seems to have someone they know that is affected, but as one said earlier, laws are to protect our environment, our heritage and our game animals. I think that the young man and young woman that have taken lots of game are definately special children and it show their parents have spent lots of time with them in practice and in the field. MOST kids won't get that kind of attention. AS for our senior shooters and spouses/girlfriends, if someone wants something bad enough, they will truly push to get it and enjoy it alot more! Some in this thread need to come off of THEIR political soap box and look at what is at stake for the WHOLE! JMHO!

[Africanbowhunter]

Thanks Jeff.....

duplicate psot Opps

[Africanbowhunter]

Thanks Jeff.....

I saw your web site and there is not much on your kids or the other guys kids. Surely the kids could have been bowhunting some small game or fish by age 10. Our 3D Club has youths as young as 7 years of age winning trophies.

Jeff Sir-your logic about wanting work into a heavy bows shows some lack of understanding about human physiology.


As much as I might wish to be 6 foot 4" no matter how much I work out train practice and sweat it ain't going to happen. Sir!

Roxanne Sales is 40, mother of 4, stocky -4'10" tall and she just cannot draw any more weight than 30# She has two Mathews Bows and is the City Indoor Woman Champion. she just cannot pull any more with


JMHO Also
Women lack upper Body mass and the US military has different PT Tests for woman then men.

You boys are husky and overweight as well. As large framed men you kids will be like you. Her kids and small and petite.

Red Dots granddaughter is 4 foot 5 1/2" tall and weighs 81#
She is 17 and fully formed and grown. gets A in PE in High school.

Plus she is legally handicapped

She is not getting any taller or stronger.

Her arms are well developed She is the same size as her mother.
I doubt she will ever grown larger except in waist size.

Please post a letter here to JoLea and she will read it, and maybe you can help her achieve 40#.

Miss Red Dot turns 70 year old next week and is a fiery Redhead.

I have seen her jump on a wild boar and stab it through the heart with a knife. She shot a 600# Black bear that climbed her tree ladder and shot at at a range of one foot!

I hope you don't get RED DOT any more riled than she already is. She had Rotator Cuff Problems and until she had shoulder surgery she could not pull much more than 30# draw, and killed a huge Pope and young Midwest 10 Point Whitetail Buck Deer, a red deer Cow, a trophy Alligator a few black bear, lots of deer, passel of boars, on went 305# etc. She is two time State Archery Champion on the Pro Staff of a major bow company, Nikon, Winners Choice Bowstrings, Carters Releases, Limb Savers Pro Staff , Vital Bow Gear Sights, Tinks, Rivers West Gear,Hawg Lite Pro Staff, and owns her own Archery Pro Shop and was President of a large 3D Club...She has also trained wounded warriors in archery.

Dot can still shoot & draw 40# but after 70 years +, someday her strength will fail and she might only pull 35# or 30#.

You then are going to say, if I follow your Logic..... Jeff..... that she is unfit to bowhunt deer any longer?

Red Dot, my 2 children, my ex- wife , DR Ray - all have one thing in common: sir- they have never lost head of game with bow! Never.

Since you and your group are clearly Bowhunting experts, you must know by now the secret of bowhunting success is not draw weight but in getting close to the game.

When game is bow shot at 5 and 7 and 10 and 12 yards seldom is game missed or lost.

We all know how hard it is to bow kill a wild turkey or a peccary with a bow right? Or Turkey or peccary?

Yes Sir, tough critters.

Please tell Jo Lea & Roxanne here that these women need to work out more to get her bows up to 40# OK?


BTW I am not politically correct, am not running for PTA or dog catcher,
have relatively thick skin, and was Co Founder of the national bowhunter education Program and Served two terms as Director of the 501 C Foundation I helped start called the National Bowhunter Education Foundation. I Was State chairman of Virginia Wash DC & South Africa.

[BustedAssRanch]

Whats to stop a parent from letting his child hunt deer with a 20 GA shotgun & #9 shot?

What if parent told their kids to only take head shots on deer with bows?

What if parent taugh kids to gut shoot deer with guns?

What if parent teach kids to poach with small caliber rifles.

What if parent teach kids to cut hole sin high fences and shoot breeder bucks, etc etc.

What if parent take drugs in front of kids?
What if?

WHAT IF?

The National Bowhunter education Program/foundation teaches and folks learn kids & parent alike to use the best quality match equipment he or she can can afford.
The kids I am worried about have not been to an IBEP much less any hunting safety!

I don't know of any archery dealer in Texas or anywhere else for that matter that would outfit a mech head to a young hunter.

WalMart..Dropping the weight to nothing will get the attn of greedy *** Corporations I'm sure we will see a few more bows there. Any place that is not a "Pro Shop" Cabela's, Bass Pro just to name a couple.

What if ?


What if the hunters' dad had a thick wallet and wanted junior to shoot rabbits with mech heads?

What If?

What if .............What if.................. makes the speaker look bad.


Matched equipment means matched to the shooters size age draw and game hunted.

Do you think parents will take the time to do this?

What this law means is that Roxanne aged 40 with be able to bowhunt deer legally on her deer lease in Kerrville rather than having to kill them in the rifle season with her .243 Win

It means a higher acceptance of ethics so some Dads and sons can hunt legally if they are overstepping a bad law now if daughter cant pull 40#
I'm sure you seen my kids shooting at the hog expo they both shot in the top 4 or 5 both days..till they can pull 40 they still like sitting with me, & it is teaching them how to bow hunt before they can. Scent control, sitting still & quiet.

Now Alexis aged 10 and Jasmine aged 12 Pleasure to meet & it looks like she is sticking to bow hunting even with the 40 # law..hmm I guess kids can wait till they pull 40
can bowhunt deer with their Daddy's next fall. And I will bet good money the will not wounded any deer either.


In Texas the Game & Fish Commission comprised of Hunters and some are Bowhunters, make the laws. They want this one passed Cowboy.

Its a bad law in my opinion whose time has come to go.

Its seldom enforced anyway and Game Wardens have a more serious work load with poaching deer from cars with guns than arresting kids with 35# compound bows.

Its a bad law whose time had come to go. And lower to 35 #'s

I agree the law is out dated but it still serves a purpose. Lowering it to 35 would still help serve the purpose while allowing more people to hunt.