Surcharge notification from dps

[cehorn]

Nevermind

[Daniel75]

Not trying to win or bash you as a LEO. Sorry if you take it that way. As with any profession there are good apples and bad apples. There is no need for the good apples to defend the bad apples no matter what the profession.

I'm glad you would have voided the ticket as it should have been voided. Just for clarification, is there a time constraint in the law? If there is than I apologize for anything I have said about the situation. While I agree it shouldn't take 15 minutes, the fact that it did doesn't violate the law unless the law is written with a time frame. The facts are the LEO requested the information and the driver provided the information within the traffic stop.
Whether it took 1 minute or 15 minutes shouldn't matter as the information was provided.

There is no time constraint in the law. I think he was trying to say he gives them plenty of time to find it sometimes. The fact is you're supposed to present it when asked for it, right then. If you don't, you can receive a citation. LEO's get tired of being lied to and after awhile, if they can't find it immediately then they just write the ticket and then it's up to the violator to take care of it on their time with the courts rather than the LEO's time sitting on the side of the road. Just have a DL and INS and this will never come up.

[systemnt]

Guess that's because I don't look on it as a scam, rather I see it as an additional charge that habitual violators pay into the system to offset the added burden on resources already overburdened... Seems fair to me... just don't get 6 points in 36 consecutive months and you avoid paying the surcharge..

Isn't there a system already in place to handle habitual traffic offenders?
(this is rhetorical..i know there is.. judges put people on probation all the time for traffic offenses..... get a ticket during the probation..you lose your license for a year or more.
No need for a surcharge. Taxes and fine systems already in place already pay for the resources you refer to overburdened. No need for an addition fine to a fine.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[flyby]

While I agree it shouldn't take 15 minutes, the fact that it did doesn't violate the law unless the law is written with a time frame.

So how long should I wait? Five minutes? An hour? Two days?

The law doesn't say you must provide it within 60 seconds. It also doesn't say within 48 hours. If you want a specific time frame- talk to your legislators. the law says "on request" (see below). Per your post, it's not a violation unless there is a time frame- so when the driver says I'll call my husband and have it bring it to me, we only live 30 miles from here- that's not a violation? Since we're being paid "to serve and protect" it's our job to wait?

Sec. 601.053. EVIDENCE OF FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. (a) As a condition of operating in this state a motor vehicle to which Section 601.051 applies, the operator of the vehicle on request shall provide to a peace officer, as defined by Article 2.12, Code of Criminal Procedure, or a person involved in an accident with the operator evidence of financial responsibility by exhibiting:

(1) a motor vehicle liability insurance policy covering the vehicle that satisfies Subchapter D or a photocopy of the policy;

(2) a standard proof of motor vehicle liability insurance form prescribed by the Texas Department of Insurance under Section 601.081 and issued by a liability insurer for the motor vehicle;

(3) an insurance binder that confirms the operator is in compliance with this chapter;

(4) a surety bond certificate issued under Section 601.121;

(5) a certificate of a deposit with the comptroller covering the vehicle issued under Section 601.122;

(6) a copy of a certificate of a deposit with the appropriate county judge covering the vehicle issued under Section 601.123; or

(7) a certificate of self-insurance covering the vehicle issued under Section 601.124 or a photocopy of the certificate.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an operator who does not exhibit evidence of financial responsibility under Subsection (a) is presumed to have operated the vehicle in violation of Section 601.051.

(c) Subsection (b) does not apply if the peace officer determines through use of the verification program established under Subchapter N that financial responsibility has been established for the vehicle.

[jcstarken]

370 a year for me for the next three....

[Brannon74]

So by reading that you only get surcharges if you brak the law multiple times and lose 6 points off your DL.

If thats true then they are punishing people who can't obey traffic laws consistantly correct?

I don't see an issue. Its not like you get a surcharge for every ticket, just when you have too many tickets? Is that right?

[Mike Javi Cooper]

Isn't there a system already in place to handle habitual traffic offenders?
(this is rhetorical..i know there is.. judges put people on probation all the time for traffic offenses..... get a ticket during the probation..you lose your license for a year or more.
No need for a surcharge. Taxes and fine systems already in place already pay for the resources you refer to overburdened. No need for an addition fine to a fine.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Okay, call it an administration fee... I still see nothing wrong with violating the law costing the violator... maybe the fellow I saw weaving in and out of traffic at speeds in access of 80 mph in a 70 mph zone this Sunday afternoon on I35 would slow down if it cost $100K to get the ticket...

[systemnt]

Okay, call it an administration fee... I still see nothing wrong with violating the law costing the violator... maybe the fellow I saw weaving in and out of traffic at speeds in access of 80 mph in a 70 mph zone this Sunday afternoon on I35 would slow down if it cost $100K to get the ticket...

...or he would lose the privilege to drive legally for a year...the next traffic citation he gets?
point is.. the surcharge fees...are enough to make someoen gripe.. not enough to change their driving habits...
If the idea is the surcharges are in place to stop habitual offenders from offending.. then its a fail.
if the idea is just a money grab...then its a WIN, and a scam

for the record..I'm known as the slow old guy...I don't drive fast ..and havent gotten anything other than a inspection sticker ticket in last 20 years...
..but when I was 18.. i got 3 tickets in a week.. and was put on probation by a judge ..no moving violation tickets - of any kind - for a year or I lose my license for a year.. oh and I had to attend a 16 hour defensive driving course (this was before all the comedy stuff they have now....it was LONG and tedious...with a test...)
Even after I found where my dad put all the parts to my trucks engine that he tore apart after the 3rd ticket.. I learned my lesson.. (and invested heavily in radar detectors to act as a reminder to me of what I should be doing)

[cosmiccowboy]

Yea once they make a mistake the best thing to do is pay it, its your falt trust me Im still dealing hit a car my son sold 13 years ago, and we are getting notices from Dallas for running red lights and parked the wrong was on the street. these tickets started showing up about 4 years ago, and there answer is this is how much you oue.

Everyone is now required to report a private sale to Texdot. Here's the online form.

https://vision21.txdmv.gov/Vehicle/T...ion.aspx?Val=2

I had a similar situation on a company truck I had where they didn't transfer the title and were running up toll road fees.

I called Texdot and they referred me to the site and just said fill it out, send us a copy of the bill of sale and they dismissed the fees. I'm surprised you can't do the same with the Dallas PD.

[RiverRat1]

So your jail is over flowing with illegals driving without a TDL and insurance, right. ?????????.

LOL ... Or he anti-profiles and just avoids pulling over Mexicans.

[RiverRat1]

No, the law was broken because it wasn't presented when requested. Pretty simple concept. There's only two things you are required to present when stopped. Shouldn't take 15 minutes.

And to clarify- I would have voided the ticket. Have done so many times- AFTER waiting 15 minutes and being told they didn't have it- writing the ticket, and returning to have them tell me they found it.

And your reasoning on being paid the entire time, others would criticize for spending that much time on the taxpayer dollar when we could be doing other things instead of standing in the roadway and slowing down traffic.

Can I send them a surcharge for waiting in the hellacious DPS line for hours when my turn only takes 2 minutes?

It's good that you void tickets in cases like that. I do not think people here are talking about LEOs like yourself.

What happens if you do not pay the surcharges? No DL renewal?

[Daniel75]

Can I send them a surcharge for waiting in the hellacious DPS line for hours when my turn only takes 2 minutes?

It's good that you void tickets in cases like that. I do not think people here are talking about LEOs like yourself.

What happens if you do not pay the surcharges? No DL renewal?

If you don't pay it then they'll suspend it until you pay it. Your status will be "suspended surcharge due".

[Blue Tick]

So by reading that you only get surcharges if you brak the law multiple times and lose 6 points off your DL. If thats true then they are punishing people who can't obey traffic laws consistantly correct?

I don't see an issue. Its not like you get a surcharge for every ticket, just when you have too many tickets? Is that right?

Some offenses don't require points being assessed. DWI, no insurance and such.

[Luck_of_the_Draw]

Okay, call it an administration fee... I still see nothing wrong with violating the law costing the violator... maybe the fellow I saw weaving in and out of traffic at speeds in access of 80 mph in a 70 mph zone this Sunday afternoon on I35 would slow down if it cost $100K to get the ticket...

That'll be fine. Just do it all up front!! Don't come to me later and say I owe more after I've paid my fine set forth by a judge.

[Daniel75]

Some offenses don't require points being assessed. DWI, no insurance and such.

Isn't it only moving violations?