Purina has pulled their logo and $ from QDMA

[systemnt]

It really is all about free market.
QDMA knew they would loose the sponsor when they ran the story.
They had to figure to make the money up from new members or other sponsors.
Both are business and in it for the money

This.

[JSF]

You don't have to hunt those locations. That's your option.
Unless you're a land owner, you were never guaranteed a place to hunt.
Breeders and hf exist because there are people that choose to hunt that way. It does not affect you because you don't have to hunt there and were never guaranteed a place to hunt there.
The costs of your kind of hunting have not gone up because someone on property you can't hunt on uses breeder bucks, does, or has a HF.
As respectfully as I can say this, truly,..
If you don't like that people in s.tx are hf'ING thier ranches or increasing the costs of their leases.. buy property down their and run it the way you want.

^^yeeeeeeeeep!

[JeffJ]

I'll state it again, breeders are the ones who keep posting these threads on here. They know people hate what they're doing and will vehemently disagree with them, yet they continue to post the threads.

Incorrect in the case of this thread. I am not a breeder of deer. We are a high fence ranch, but not a breeder.

[FCTrapper]

Nice Move by Purina, united we should stand. QDMA made a bad choice IMO on their stance against deer breeders. Many have stood up and taken notice, one of the reasons they choose to leave Texas deer breeders out of the mix ( for now).

BTW if my memory serves me correct there are 2 different Purina company. Purina Mills and Ralston Purina. Ralston Purina is the dog food company and Purina Mills is in the feed industry they are 2 different company's. Keep feeding your dogs, I don't think it will affect this issue.

[k9trainer]

I don't think you will find those facts because the deer breeding business does not help hunting itself (other than making it easier for folks with plenty $ and little time to get into the outdoors and enjoy shooting big deer) Which is fine by me. Most deer breeders or folks involved with deer breeding industry are sportsman as well. So for QDMA (who are sportsman as well) to take a stance against Purina (other sportsmen) because of the way they do things or what they feel is acceptible is just another way of division amongst the ranks. I am a big picture person - obviously QDMA is not

How do you figure Purina are sportsmen? Because they make deer feed?

[flywise]

What I still cant figure out is, how can so many people totally dismiss all the good work QDMA has done for hunting over this one issue?
I am not a member nor have I ever even considered being a member because I do not subscribe to "DEER MANAGEMENT'' But looking at their website it appears they have hunting and hunters best interest at heart

[rubydog]

To me deer breeding is just one more step toward the privitization of hunting. I will support the QDMA on the issue. On the high fence issue not so much.

[Coach]

This issue is about DEER BREEDERS, not HIGH FENCES!!!!!!!

Every time this topic comes up someone always lumps them together. They are not the same!!

Let's keep this discussion to deer breeders, QDMA, and Purina. This has nothing to do with fences.

For the record, I support QDMA in their statement.

Was hoping someone would say this.

[Ol Thumper]

I support any business that supports hunting regardless of how its done so long as its legal.

I support any ranch on how they choose to hunt or make money so long as its legal.

I support any hunter regardless of their method so long as its legal.

I support your right to freedom of choice and I furthermore support your oppinions however I dont support anyone, any business or any ranch that argues one method of hunting or makng money being better than another and causing conflicts within the hunting industry giving us all a black eye.

[qzilla]

If I put on a free field day and seminar at a breeding facility would you anti-breeders/HF guys show up?

I think there are a lot of benefits the entire deer world has learned from captive deer herds. Things from disease management to genetics studies, feed and nutrition testing, reproductive studies and all sorts of deer behavioral studies are some of the benefits hunters get.

I subscribe to all methods including low fence hunting. I gave NEVER in my life sold a hunt or made a profit on a whitetail deer. I do it because I love it.

If you take the $ out of deer the hunting opportunities will cease quickly. The deer breeding industry funds more of TPWD than the hunting population.

[cfortner]

If I put on a free field day and seminar at a breeding facility would you anti-breeders/HF guys show up?

I think there are a lot of benefits the entire deer world has learned from captive deer herds. Things from disease management to genetics studies, feed and nutrition testing, reproductive studies and all sorts of deer behavioral studies are some of the benefits hunters get.

I subscribe to all methods including low fence hunting. I gave NEVER in my life sold a hunt or made a profit on a whitetail deer. I do it because I love it.

If you take the $ out of deer the hunting opportunities will cease quickly. The deer breeding industry funds more of TPWD than the hunting population.

I'd love to see it. I'm all for any scientific data we can get about deer herds and genetics, however we can get it. I'd have to agree with thumper that any legal means or methods use to hunt I'd support. United we stand divided we fall...

Unfortunately breeders have been given a bad rap much like LEO's the 5% that allow darting deer for hunters or shooting a breeder buck in a small enclosure has ****ed the other 95% of breeders who run an ethical operation.

As for the QDMA I respect them for sanding up for what they believe in. However, as an organization that is standing up for hunters rights, their public stance on the subject only serves to widen the ranks among hunters and allow the ANTI's more room to operate and legislate the beginnings of our demise as hunters.

For the record, I really don't see any reason to hunt high fence for a trophy, doesn't really make sense to me. I have hunted high fence and will do it again, under the premise that I wanted some meat and it was WAY better than going to the grocery store If you want to take a trophy from a high fence ranch I'd still give you a high five and support your decision to do so!

[Les]

The deer breeding industry funds more of TPWD than the hunting population.

Can you elaborate a little more on this statement, Q? Link? I've been tearing up the web tonight trying to find the numbers. So far I have found out there are about 1200 deer breeders in Texas. I can't find numbers on how much $$$ they give to TPWD in breeder licenses and permits.. and such.

I did find out there are over a million hunting licenses sold in Texas each year. And then there is the $$$ from the Pittman-Robertson Act.. It SEEMS hard to believe that these 1200 breeders fund more to TPWD than the hunting population.

Thanks!

Carry on, peeps.. And play nice!!

[ratterrier]

Texas Trophy Hunters has run the QDMA out of Texas and Purina knows it, they are a huge multiillion producting company with tons of research and equiptment, they are a drop in the ocean in amount of whitetail deer research behind fences and outside of fences vs the qdma. Its deer feed politics thats all, ask how many dollars the qdma spends on research vs what Puriena does, then ask how many people even belong to QDMA, they dont offer a landowner or outffitter anything but a magazine and a membership fee that i have ever seen. Puriena has held thousands of feeding deer meeting all over texas, what has the qdma ever dont for texas??? Nothing in my view, its just somebody from the east trying to tell texans what do to, aint going to happen, i say they are dying and this is a death thrash and Puriena wants to be away from them before they fall and drag there cufflinks a bitlol

[flywise]

. The deer breeding industry funds more of TPWD than the hunting population.[/QUOTE]

Now that may be a little bit of an exaggeration

[Grayson]

. The deer breeding industry funds more of TPWD than the hunting population.

Now that may be a little bit of an exaggeration[/QUOTE]

Yeah, just a little bit.

Sorry, can't make the breeding facility field trip, I think I have that day set aside for deworming and bottle feeding my fawns.