Purina has pulled their logo and $ from QDMA

[Kdog]

I cannot figure out where I stand on this. I am a member of QDMA and I don't think I will cancel my membership. This won't keep me from buying something from Purina either. On it's face I would not want to kill a deer from a ranch that used deer breeding to supplement/maintain its trophy stock. I guess to me it sort of stops being a wild animal at some point and for me that reduces the appeal. It would be kind of like killing an elk behind a high fence in Colorado. Nothing against those that do it, just not my cup of tea. Just not sure if I would go as far as to say nobody should be able to do it.

[Head Hunter]

Its apples and orange as someone previously said. One (high fence/breeders) is farming and ranching deer and what is called hunting is actually just killing dinner. The other(low fence/wild) is sporting and letting God decide what a deer is supposed to be and how big. They are not on the same page. QDMA is trying to preserve hunting as it used to be and IMO should be, nothing wrong with that. If we lose our heritage what do we have?

[kyle1974]

Didn't God give man dominion over animals in the bible?

[Kdog]

Didn't God give man dominion over animals in the bible?

This is what I am thinking too, but we should be responsible with God's gifts. I am just not quite sure in this case how you define responsible.

[flywise]

I am very intersted in the article and I have nothing to do with deer breeding/ high fences part of hunting. I have only hunted low fence with no numerical trophies worth mentioning. But I do have a problem with QDMA saying they don't like deer farms. They are creating a wedge. Sorry you don't see it that way but don't say non-deer farm people don't feel this way. We do. I also horse show- not rodeo- but if someone started trying to outlaw rodeo, I would have rodeos back in the argument because we are in the same vein of activity. Sure rodeo doesn't do a darn thing for me and I don't do a darn thing for rodeo but I am not going to sit back and watch a thriving segment of an industry I support be murdered. Especially if I had no evidence it hurts my activity.

If you and others would read and comprehend the article it says nothing about outlawing the breeder practice or HF operations. It only has legitimate concerns about the expansion of BREEDER OPERATIONS. I do not see how anyone who has read the article can be lead to the conclusion that it in anyway the qdma is driving a wedge. They simply have a legitimate concern.
It seems to me the breeders would be thrilled with this, if no other operations were allowed to start then supply and demand would dictate that current operators would be in a better position to profit from their product

[Peyton]

This issue is about DEER BREEDERS, not HIGH FENCES!!!!!!!

Every time this topic comes up someone always lumps them together. They are not the same!!

Let's keep this discussion to deer breeders, QDMA, and Purina. This has nothing to do with fences.

For the record, I support QDMA in their statement.

[Truckville]

I'll state it again, breeders are the ones who keep posting these threads on here. They know people hate what they're doing and will vehemently disagree with them, yet they continue to post the threads.

And they think "we" are the ones driving the wedge in the hunting community and especially on TBH? Give me a break. You know you're not going to change any minds, so stop posting the stupid threads and then coming back to whine when people disagree with your position.

I am not a deer breeder, but I am a businessman and QDMA obviously did not want Purina as a sponsor otherwise they would not take a dump on one of their sponsors main customers. Deer farms are legal and regulated by TPWD and the deer farmers I have met are hunters just like me. I don't understand where all this hate comes from. Hate PETA and anti-hunting groups, not fellow outdoorsmen.

[flywise]

This issue is about DEER BREEDERS, not HIGH FENCES!!!!!!!

Every time this topic comes up someone always lumps them together. They are not the same!!

Let's keep this discussion to deer breeders, QDMA, and Purina. This has nothing to do with fences.

For the record, I support QDMA in their statement.

Dang, I had no idea we would ever agree on this!

[perfectstorm]

Perfect Storm,
One way that the breeding of deer, consequently growing bigger bucks, leads to increasing the prices for the average hunter is that it brings people that are not really serious hunters, but have a lot of money and just want to shoot a trophy to put on their wall, into the mix. Then landowners can push for higher prices to lease their land. They may not have 190 or 200 class deer, but others paying outrageous prices to shooy huge deer can lead to at least slightly higher prices for the rest of us.

That's a bit of stretch to say high fence breeding operations drive up the price of low fence land leases. One could stand to reason that the high fence breeding & hunting operations are actually offering a service to these "rich, unserious" hunters- potentially taking them away from the land lease market and into the paid for 1 trophy hunt at a Deer-Mart market. Not buying your argument.

[super_dave]

Very well stated.
Bigger Antlers = bigger bucks, and not the four legged kind either.

Give me a 175 pt #140 buck or a #180 doe ...She's Venison !

All true, especially in a HF, but we normals can grow big deer( for our areas) without a fence. I dont see enough reasons to plant myself on either side of the argument here.

[JAGR]

I made my thoughts on the issue very clear - it is sportsman fighting with other sportsman - just like LSBA and crossbows was sportsman fighting with other sportsman - it get's us nowhere - I don't see a thing wrong with folks who dislike high fences, deer breeding, crossbows, deer drives, hunting with dogs, etc.etc.etc. UNTIL they starting un-needed bickering with the other sportsman that have different opinions. If Purina is the one that started the whole deal then my negative perception should be towards them and not QDMA(not because of what they stand for, but because they feel more obliged to drive a wedge instead of standing together). My problem is simple - ANY sportsman fighting with ANY OTHER sportsman over "how they do it" (unless it is illegal) and driving a wedge farther into the middle of our alliance as sportsman is rediculous.

Well said.

[M16]

This issue is about DEER BREEDERS, not HIGH FENCES!!!!!!!

Every time this topic comes up someone always lumps them together. They are not the same!!

Let's keep this discussion to deer breeders, QDMA, and Purina. This has nothing to do with fences.

For the record, I support QDMA in their statement.

Well said. Having a high fence does not make you a deer breeder. There are a lot of high fenced places that don't introduce farmed deer.

[Truckville]

I made my thoughts on the issue very clear - it is sportsman fighting with other sportsman - just like LSBA and crossbows was sportsman fighting with other sportsman - it get's us nowhere - I don't see a thing wrong with folks who dislike high fences, deer breeding, crossbows, deer drives, hunting with dogs, etc.etc.etc. UNTIL they starting un-needed bickering with the other sportsman that have different opinions. If Purina is the one that started the whole deal then my negative perception should be towards them and not QDMA(not because of what they stand for, but because they feel more obliged to drive a wedge instead of standing together). My problem is simple - ANY sportsman fighting with ANY OTHER sportsman over "how they do it" (unless it is illegal) and driving a wedge farther into the middle of our alliance as sportsman is rediculous.

X2

[bltiger]

This issue is about DEER BREEDERS, not HIGH FENCES!!!!!!!

Every time this topic comes up someone always lumps them together. They are not the same!!

Finally someone said it, I was under the understanding that it was about the breeder operations and not High Fence ranches?

[kyle1974]

This issue is about DEER BREEDERS, not HIGH FENCES!!!!!!!

Every time this topic comes up someone always lumps them together. They are not the same!!

Let's keep this discussion to deer breeders, QDMA, and Purina. This has nothing to do with fences.

For the record, I support QDMA in their statement.

Low fence guys talking trash about high fence guys, high fence guys talking trash about deer breeders,....

I wonder what a caveman would think.