Mathews new line up…

[jnd1959]

Just don't see how they can keep increasing the speed and not make the bow with a harder roll over or jumpy. ( of course, I ain't no engineer)
I shot the Lift and its a good bow but I can definitely feel the difference in it and my VXR. I'll give a few fps for something smoother.

Yep. I can't pull back 70lbs on the new aggressive bows. That's from all the manufacturers. I can pull back 70 on the Basin, which is a really smooth drawing bow but what you get in ease of draw you lose in speed. I'm not sure it makes a big difference for Texas whitetails. But I can drop down to a 60 on an aggressive bow and still get faster FPS than the Basin at 70. And while the Basin is easy to draw, I notice fatigue after about 30 -40 arrows. Not as much with the Lift at 60. I think that is because of the draw curve. The Lift's hardest point is at the break where the Basin, while easier to draw, has a longer maximum energy exertion (my term). So while the 60 lb Lift feels harder to pull than the 70lb Basin, that exertion is only at the short break over. At least that is how it feels to me. I can get the new aggressive bows back to the break over. I just can't get them past that.

[jnd1959]

Y’all are killing me! Here I am all settled in with my 29.5 v3x all tricked out and is deadly Then y’all bring up these new flagships . I wasn’t interested in upgrading any years soon until I saw the 27.5 RS version… this is probably going to hurt my banking account lol.

That V3X is still a good bow and will kill anything in the woods the Lift will. But I admit, the Lift is lighter and, quieter, than the V3X. Still, I wouldn't mind having a back up bow...

[OrangeBlood]

Another frustration I had with the top hats is that the shop(s) had to remove the strings/cables and had some difficulty putting them back on without changing the string twist and cable timing. Being able to make quick changes without a press is a welcome game changer for Mathews.

That's strange, I don't understand why they would need to take strings/cables off to swap top hats? You don't remove the strings/cables, just slip the cam out of the way with them attached and you can access the top hats.

[Michael]

I’m not sure, other than it probably has to do with the limited workspace available at the press.

I will say that I've never had to change top hats on any of my previous Mathews bows from the factory (I was able to make minor adjustments using the micro-adjust on the IMX.) When I received my Lift 29.5 last November (just before Thanksgiving), I attempted to set it up and tune it at our Blanco County lease, but the tear was HORRIBLE. I ended up taking it to the shop in Stonewall and they changed out the top hats and we got it tuned.

I sold the 29.5 and bought the 33 in June. Again, I had to take it to B2B to change the top hats. It was easy enough, and I was quickly able to get it tuned and shooting great for TAC (Colorado.) I made the mistake of shooting through paper a week before my August Utah mule deer hunt, and I had a 3" tear. I tried making adjustments to the rest, but couldn't get it tuned, so we changed the top hats out again. It was better, but not perfect. It was closing time for the shop, so I went back home and came back the next afternoon. We went with a different TH configuration, and it still didn't fix it. Again, we ran into closing time, so I went home and completely stripped the string and reset everything I could back to zero. I went back a THIRD time to the shop and we ended up going back to the original configuration and I was able to get it tuned. There's a lot more to the story, but the point is that, because I don't have a press, I couldn't make any changes without going to the shop (which was also busy with other customers.) Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful to have a shop relatively close (30 mins) to both home and lease, but I'd prefer to be able to setup, tune and make minor repairs to my bows when I don't have access to a shop.

[jnd1959]

Michael, based on what you said I suspect that was a horizontal tear but a vertical tear could be the rest if it is a drop away, assuming the cams are timed. I've had a couple of bows shoot bullet holes but then about 10 shot in the timing gets behind and a big vertical tear ensues. It's cured by just advancing the rest timing. If that happened after initial setup at the same shop with the same bowtech, it may be their process for securing the rest cord, if it was a vertical tear. I'm not pointing fingers. It's happened to me a couple times and I can't put my finger on what I did different. It may be in the rest or slack in the cord at the rest that gets taken up after a few shots. I will say, we've come across some counterfeit QAD rests that were bought online. They look exactly the same but don't keep tune.

We've sold a lot of lifts. I'd say one out of ten needs the tophats switched.

But we move the tophats only for a horizontal tear that is large. I'd prefer to fix a horizontal tear by moving the rest, as long as it doesn't put it out of spec by very much.

The lift and its predecessors are usually easy to tune with most problems being cam and rest timing or rest wear if using a brush rest. This new system brings Mathews in line with other manufacturers. I'm eager to tune a bow with the new system but, like a surgeon, I do like to operate so I gotta admit I will miss moving the tophats. It's a good feeling to cure an issue and see a bow shoot straight. What I won't miss is the next bow on which I have to swap shims. Some of those are very thin and very transparent. Hard for an old man to see when dropped or stuck to your fingers.

Glad you got it up and running.

[Michael]

My Lift X 33 arrived yesterday evening. My goal is to set it up and tune it to be able to hunt with it this afternoon. (I assume it will draw/shoot/feel pretty much exactly like my Lift, so I would be confident using it for a hunt right away.)

[Bone Thug]

My Lift X 33 arrived yesterday evening. My goal is to set it up and tune it to be able to hunt with it this afternoon. (I assume it will draw/shoot/feel pretty much exactly like my Lift, so I would be confident using it for a hunt right away.)

Which color did you go with?

[Michael]

They shipped the Shale.

[haas0311]

I’m not sure, other than it probably has to do with the limited workspace available at the press.

I will say that I've never had to change top hats on any of my previous Mathews bows from the factory (I was able to make minor adjustments using the micro-adjust on the IMX.) When I received my Lift 29.5 last November (just before Thanksgiving), I attempted to set it up and tune it at our Blanco County lease, but the tear was HORRIBLE. I ended up taking it to the shop in Stonewall and they changed out the top hats and we got it tuned.

I sold the 29.5 and bought the 33 in June. Again, I had to take it to B2B to change the top hats. It was easy enough, and I was quickly able to get it tuned and shooting great for TAC (Colorado.) I made the mistake of shooting through paper a week before my August Utah mule deer hunt, and I had a 3" tear. I tried making adjustments to the rest, but couldn't get it tuned, so we changed the top hats out again. It was better, but not perfect. It was closing time for the shop, so I went back home and came back the next afternoon. We went with a different TH configuration, and it still didn't fix it. Again, we ran into closing time, so I went home and completely stripped the string and reset everything I could back to zero. I went back a THIRD time to the shop and we ended up going back to the original configuration and I was able to get it tuned. There's a lot more to the story, but the point is that, because I don't have a press, I couldn't make any changes without going to the shop (which was also busy with other customers.) Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful to have a shop relatively close (30 mins) to both home and lease, but I'd prefer to be able to setup, tune and make minor repairs to my bows when I don't have access to a shop.

You should look into APA Michael!! Great bows and you don't need a shop, lol!

[Michael]

All set and ready to rock with the Lift X 33!



I set it up at the lease, with minimal equipment (no vice, press, etc.). The Ultrarest IMX 2 install went smoothly. I used the SAS (stay afield system) to loosen the string for the peep install and the down cable for the rest timing cord.

I broke down and ordered the Mathews/Ultraview Bridgelock Slider sight, but it hasn’t arrived yet, so I moved my Spott Hog Fast Eddie XL over, for now.

I used a makeshift tuning rack to shoot through paper and had a 3” nock-right tear. While I was kind of hoping for a bullet hole on the first shot, I was glad it gave me opportunity to use the Limb Shift. I had to figure out which way to turn it, but I got it dialed in pretty quickly.

They shipped the bow with 70# mods but, Inspired by the “low draw weight” thread, I decided to back it down to 60# for now (I’ll order the appropriate mods later.) I didn’t change out the tape on the Fast Eddie, so I just sighted it in at 20 for the next few days (or until the UV slider arrives.)

It shoots well, which I expected. It’s essentially the Lift with the new tuning system, new grip options (I’m going to stick with my Tech Grip) and, supposedly, “armored” limbs that will hopefully resolve the limb issues that some people had with their Lifts.

[jnd1959]

Glad you got it working. I can't tell the difference shooting the X from the original, which is good. I can no longer draw 70lbs on the new, more aggressive bows but, I still get more speed at 60 than the old bows at 70. Good luck.

Sounds like the SAS system worked pretty well for you. I was thinking of ordering it for my lift.

[Michael]

“X” marks the spot.