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    #16
    Originally posted by okrattler View Post

    Yeah tell that to the people getting booted out of their homes by foreigners in Colorado. Coming to a town near you. I'm sure you'll come together alright. Come together and shoot some Venezuelans. Which is exactly right. It's gonna be a group effort.
    Nobody is booting me out of my home.

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      #17
      Originally posted by okrattler View Post
      Don't none of it matter now. People of every ethnicity are taking over the United States. There's people being removed from their homes by these people as we speak. So it looks like we've come full circle. Gonna have to start killin brown people again pretty soon or they'll take this land that we worked hard to steal in the first place. That's not the most polite or politically correct way to say it but it doesn't make it any less true. All this talk of days gone by don't mean jack diddly ****. Better start worrying about current day events.

      If our founding fathers knew how things were gonna turn out they'd have closed off the borders on all sides and picked their own cottin. We've come to a point where we're more worried about hurting someones feelings than our own well being. That's for sure not what this country was founded on. Christian or not.
      Just want to point out. The founding fathers had 13 colonies. So that wall would not have gone west very far at all.

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        #18
        Originally posted by okrattler View Post
        Well considering the white man stole every bit of land we own today and screwed over the people who were here originally and had black people farm it and harvest the crops I'm gonna say no Jesus wasn't really a big part of it. Did they pray to Jesus every night before bed and before every meal? Yeah probably but I highly doubt they ever met him.

        This country was founded on violence and atrocities of every kind.Just like most countries were. I'm sure some of it if not most of it had to do with the fact that the people that were being done dirty were looked at as uncivilized or savages. Therefore they were less than human to the "Christians" who were doing these things.

        More people have been butchered in the name of religion and greed than there ever were saved. I'd bet money on it.
        ​That is an interesting diatribe but what does it have to do with the founding of this nation and the question in the OP?

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          #19
          Originally posted by AntlerCollector View Post

          (Owning slaves doesn’t seem Christian)
          You sure about that?

          Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
          - Ephesians 6:5​

          (Neither does mass murder of native tribes)
          Hum, I’m pretty sure those native tribes did plenty of killing themselves
          Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth”​ - Matthew 5:38
          Yep, I’m sure. There are many things in scripture that we don’t adhere to today. How many wives do you have ?


          As for the native tribes, we came to their country, much like the border jumpers that everyone is complaining about right now, including you.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Drycreek3189 View Post

            Yep, I’m sure. There are many things in scripture that we don’t adhere to today. How many wives do you have ?


            As for the native tribes, we came to their country, much like the border jumpers that everyone is complaining about right now, including you.
            Venezuelans saying to the founding fathers, "hold my beer and watch this!"
            😂🤔🤬

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              #21
              It doesn't matter whether it was or not, it was founded under Divine Providence, God's Providence. One other comment, we tend to judge history by the standards we have today and fail to recognize the times and what the norms were in that day whether right or wrong. That never ends well.

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                #22
                Originally posted by AntlerCollector View Post

                (Owning slaves doesn’t seem Christian)
                You sure about that?

                Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
                - Ephesians 6:5​

                (Neither does mass murder of native tribes)
                Hum, I’m pretty sure those native tribes did plenty of killing themselves
                Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth”​ - Matthew 5:38
                Lol…Jesus did not own slaves

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Death from Above View Post

                  Lol…Jesus did not own slaves
                  No one said He did.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by tvc184 View Post

                    ​That is an interesting diatribe but what does it have to do with the founding of this nation and the question in the OP?
                    It has everything to do with it. The people that founded this country may have been Christians but they sure didn't live like it. I'd say our values are more Christian as a whole than they were back then. We've taken that whole "Love your neighbor as yourself." to another level. We're letting every neighbor we have in. Personally I think the old Christian ways were the most productive. But of course that's just my opinion.
                    Last edited by okrattler; 09-15-2024, 07:20 AM.

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                      #25
                      Some of y’all seem to think the white/european people that settled this land stole it from natives. You conveniently ignore the fact that native tribes killed each other for centuries over the same land. Each tribe conquered someone who was here before them too

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by AntlerCollector View Post
                        Some of y’all seem to think the white/european people that settled this land stole it from natives. You conveniently ignore the fact that native tribes killed each other for centuries over the same land. Each tribe conquered someone who was here before them too
                        I don't think they did. I know they did. They killed each other over survival. The Europeans came in here and saw an uncivilized people that needed to be eradicated. They didn't look at them any different than you or I would a wild animal. They probably viewed them as less than that even. The natives killed people to defend their way of life. There was such a thing back then. It's wasn't like now days where everyone is welcome.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by okrattler View Post
                          I'd say our values are more Christian as a whole than they were back then.
                          I just have to point out that this seems an odd statement from you since you have said you don't believe in Christ.
                          It would be like saying I don't believe chickens exist, then saying, "dang, this tastes like chicken!"

                          It just seems odd that you have a lot to say about a thread titled " Was America founded on Christian beliefs?", when you've stated you don't believe in God or Christ. I wonder if you somehow aren't as sure as you think. I may be wrong, but I hope I'm not.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by rolylane6 View Post

                            I just have to point out that this seems an odd statement from you since you have said you don't believe in Christ.
                            It would be like saying I don't believe chickens exist, then saying, "dang, this tastes like chicken!"

                            It just seems odd that you have a lot to say about a thread titled " Was America founded on Christian beliefs?", when you've stated you don't believe in God or Christ. I wonder if you somehow aren't as sure as you think. I may be wrong, but I hope I'm not.
                            If you go back and read I never said I didn't believe in God. I don't believe that God is exactly what you think it is. I still know about Christianity and what people believe it's about and what guidelines they think God would want them to follow. According to the Bible and loving your neighbor and all that jazz we're obeying that to a T in todays society. To our own detriment we have that on lockdown.

                            I think people like you just read what's been written over and over and over and take it for truth instead of looking at society as a whole and realizing what's written in that book ain't always what's best.

                            And while the Bible is a good guide on how to live your life, times do change and not everything can align with that and at a point some of those things written in that book are void. It has to be at some point or just like the Natives we too will lose our way of life. That's where we're heading. Ready or not.
                            Last edited by okrattler; 09-15-2024, 07:55 AM.

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                              #29
                              Times may change, but the Bible does not.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by HDJ View Post
                                Times may change, but the Bible does not.
                                Through time people's interpretation of Gods word sure has. Everything in that book means something until you need land, food or money. That's when you'll see Christians stray from those words and then try and justify it later. That's not really how that's supposed to work. That's how it does work and it's been working that way since this country was founded. Those words mean something until the changes that come with time means death or poverty unless you stray from the word of God. That's when you'll see good men lie, deal, steal and kill. Right or wrong, Christian or non-believer..... people are gonna do what they have to do to stay afloat.

                                Being a good person doesn't mean you're a Christian any more than being a Christian means you're a good person. It's one in the same depending on how hard times get.
                                Last edited by okrattler; 09-15-2024, 08:20 AM.

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