I think you’re both confused on different points.
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Originally posted by Dusty Britches View PostY'all made my day! thanks!
Wait until I tell him that the entire world would be dead if natural gas freezes. The freezing temp of natural gas is -296.7 F because it is too dry to freeze at warmer temps. LOL!
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Tell your clueless co worker the reason we had rolling blackouts is because ERCOT had more demand on the system than they could handle so they shut off some power to keep from losing the grid. ERCOT is independent and cannot import power from other areas, so they had no choice but to shut off some demand, they just shut off the wrong demand. The problem arose when some of the power companies shut some of their power generators down for maintenance and ERCOT shut the power off to the wells and plants that provided the fuel for the generators supplying the power to the grid.
He is right natural gas will freeze because it contains water, processed methane gas that the generators and your house run on will not freeze because it is free from water.
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Originally posted by PYBUCK View PostTell your clueless co worker the reason we had rolling blackouts is because ERCOT had more demand on the system than they could handle so they shut off some power to keep from losing the grid. ERCOT is independent and cannot import power from other areas, so they had no choice but to shut off some demand, they just shut off the wrong demand. The problem arose when some of the power companies shut some of their power generators down for maintenance and ERCOT shut the power off to the wells and plants that provided the fuel for the generators supplying the power to the grid.
He is right natural gas will freeze because it contains water, processed methane gas that the generators and your house run on will not freeze because it is free from water.
if the well heads had been insulated or heated they may have been able to open them up some and supply more gas to meet demand (but right now in a lot of Texas lines are near capacity most of the time is my understanding), but there was no ability to do that because the well heads had already frozen
in my opinion this is why coal still matters.....you can store a month of coal or more right at the power plant and all you need is a loader or some other easy to operate and maintain (and power with onsite back up power) to keep that plant up and running.......and there are multiple ways to get large trains of coal to the plant with the exception of the very short "last mile" right to the plant
you can also buy coal well before demand ramps up to make sure prices are not through the roof
with natural gas the ability to store large amounts at the site is way too expensive and dangerous and there is little to no redundancy in the entire natural gas collection and delivery system.....it is designed to go one way.....well -> processor -> collector lines --> larger lines -> feeder lines to the end user......there is little to no reversing or alternate routing of that system because the gas is where the gas is and the users are where they are
a large modern cleaner coal plant should be in the picture for baseline power with the ability to ramp up a meaningful bit more in times of major demand (and then perhaps have a through check when demand slacks because it was run hard)
natural gas is all fine and good, but there are too many points of failure that are not possible to back up or have alternate delivery for.....issues in the well fields and less gas, issues at a processor and less gas, issues on supply lines especially major ones and less gas, issue in a supply line to a power plant and less gas
in all cases less gas = less power
with coal the ability to store large amounts on site means you eliminate all but "issue with the plant itself" and with natural gas that is still the same issue....with the plant itself not the source of energy for the plant so the type of fuel is not relevant there.....and the ability to have it on site prior to massive demand means you do not suffer price spikes as much as with gas (if you can get the gas)
we need a well rounded and robust power supply system not one that depends on the "fuel of the month" be it natural gas, wind, solar, or anything else (including coal)
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When I read BlackHogDown's post (#2) I knew my coworker was partially right, he was just confused about hydrocarbons and the creation. I like to jest my coworker because he's liberal and says some really .... different things. He supports Biden only because he hates Trump. But I digress...
I'm not convinced that there is a finite amount of oil and hydrocarbons, either.
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