I could be out of line by posting this,

[twistedmidnite]

yea, but then again its hard to see how hard a firefighter and police job is with your head that far up your @ss, the ysit behind a desk and dont have a clue what "real life" is about...

[M-2]

they came to that conclusions by facts, fact is being a firefighter isn't one the most deadliest jobs, yea people die doing it, but they also die roofing a house, fishing, logging, pilots, miners...all statistically have a higher death rates, with no government pension

I kinda see your point, but FF's knowingly take on a dangerous job that involves saving other people's lives and property. I doubt anyone resents all the first responders to the WTC on 9-11 and whatever benefits the families of those who lost their lives received.
On the other hand, my own sister in law retired at 50 after 30 years as a 911 dispatcher with a very comfortable pension and full health care benefits...and she was not in personal danger doing her job (however, the stress level must be horrible in that position...).

[stickerpatch59]

i'll bet if his house was on fire and 25 fire fighters showed up, he wouldn't send any of them back to the station. j.m.o.

[Snapper]

hmmmm? I have a lot of firefighting friends and i support them. I grew up wanting to be one, but this stuff is taken out of context.

x10

[Javelin]

here is Becks full statement about firefighters. he was showing how many firemen it takes to pay the pension for one retired fireman. The math truely does not work and that was the jist of the segment, showing that government pensions do not work.

See if this makes any sense to you. California fireman, big fat guy like (points to himself)—he retires at the age of 50. He's making $125,000 a year. He'll retire with a pension approximately $94,000 a year. 50!

Now, how many people does it take underneath him to pay for that pension? Nineteen! Nineteen. Nineteen firemen underneath him, paying for his retirement, making $50,000 a year and putting ten percent of their salaries into his pension. All of them have to take ten percent and pay it here.

Well, that's not happening in a lot of cities. Highest we found was eight percent, some are six percent, some are four percent, most are zero. You pay it all!

So, the unions have convinced the firefighters that this was sustainable. And the politicians helped them. Now, when these nineteen firefighters retire, to pay their pensions, how many? Only 352 firefighters, making $50,000 a year and putting ten percent of their salaries into pension to pay for one year of each of those firefighter pensions.

Man! I think your small town will never [garbled] there with water and a match. How many firefighters do you need, America?

You see, we all wanted to buy into the bull crap. We all said it’ll never get worse than this! We all said it’ll never end!

We all bought into the lie that you can have it all. It's a lie! It works for one generation! One! And then what?

These people who have risked their lives get screwed and they blame it on you and me. It is the union. It is the criminal union bosses along with politicians that—they don't care anything about you or the Constitution or the republic or your city. They don't care.

Do you think this math works?

[hog smacker]

I'm a firefighter and to anyone who wants to cut firefighter funding in any way shape or form remember we will go into the scariest place possible whatever it may be knowing that we may die trying to save someone we don't even know and every firefighter in America will do the same thing for a homeless man in an abandoned building or a child in a gated community. Its not my opinion its the facts and you may only need us once in your life and hopefully you never need us but always remember we are there if you do.

People like the ones in the video will never face a person like me.

[76truck]

In my opinion, our job is dangerous, just as dangerous as my wife or mother going to the mall, or as one of us climbing up in a tree stand. It's the long term effects that put a damper on gold plated pensions as they are called.

I know from my own experiences that hopefully in 20 years when I retire... I'll have worked my hardest with the the toughest, threw blood, sweat, and tears and I'll have deserved every penny.

Bill O'Riley made $10 million last, 10 million !!! Others on the fox news team earn $460,000 annually at its top end. I don't hate them cause they succeeded at doing what they love. Good for them. I to love my job and won't even retire with $10 million but Oh well.

I'm off to Crossfit to take out some built up aggression.

[BoneDigger]

The clips are indeed taken out of context, but it's the same thing Beck does nightly on his show. However...

I am in no way advocating large government, and I believe it needs to be pared down, but I am not a fan of paring it down on the backs of our first responders.

Pensions are indeed out of control in many sectors of the government, but I am not sure I agree that it is too much to pay for the firemen that work in the environment that they do, doing what they do.

Let's take that 50 year old fireman. He/She may have taken the job at the ripe old age of 20. Working for 30 years as a fireman and then retiring at 50 sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Todd

[locoengineer]

FF and police can not strike.

add railroad workers to that list

[Uncle Saggy]

they came to that conclusions by facts, fact is being a firefighter isn't one the most deadliest jobs, yea people die doing it, but they also die roofing a house, fishing, logging, pilots, miners...all statistically have a higher death rates, with no government pension

yup

[Uncle Saggy]

yea, but then again its hard to see how hard a firefighter and police job is with your head that far up your @ss, the ysit behind a desk and dont have a clue what "real life" is about...

Wake up

[Raider Power]

Lets see Stossel and Beck marching into this hellhole.

[El Coyote]

Wake up

I believe he is talking about Stossel and Beck not the FF and PMs

[BuckAssassin]

wow

[VorTexan]

wish I could retire at 50.