Breeder Deer Privitization Bill

[Grayson]

[quote=huntnguide83;3813247]

anytime you are near flynn texas I will be happy to show you a couple records of past sells to the ranches that turned them loose. To save a little bit of time and sparing everyone here a p!$$!ng match i am going to say lets agree to disagree on the subject and move on.

I thought it wasn't legal to buy a breeder and turn it loose on a low fence place?

[jetlag887]

This is a very sensative subject with me.
As it stands now the deer in Texas (penned or not) belong to the citizens of Texas, ALL of them. When you pen them up you are robbing people of the oppurtunity to legally harvest a state owned animal that they heve a right to (legally) harvest when they purchase a license.
If they want to pass this bill that's fine with me, just please call it what it really is and keep your pen raised, ear-tagged deer out of local contest and quit acting like your the greatest hunter of all because you can write a huge check and kill someone's livestock.

[Ol Thumper]

Horses and cattle were never considered state owned game animals. ;-)

Sent from my Atrix

I understand that, but at one point they to were wild animals that mother nature provided for. Either way it makes little difference to me.

[Tx625]

[quote=Grayson;3813346]

I thought it wasn't legal to buy a breeder and turn it loose on a low fence place?

So did I! I do know it's illegal to have dmp pins on a low fence!

[ZenDada]

Thank you for bringing up this topic. While I am all for capitalism, I see the interpretation and implementation as problematic at best. What exactly are the alleged "negative implications?" I'd like to see the bullet points.

[JW]

This is a very sensative subject with me.
As it stands now the deer in Texas (penned or not) belong to the citizens of Texas, ALL of them. When you pen them up you are robbing people of the oppurtunity to legally harvest a state owned animal that they heve a right to (legally) harvest when they purchase a license.
If they want to pass this bill that's fine with me, just please call it what it really is and keep your pen raised, ear-tagged deer out of local contest and quit acting like your the greatest hunter of all because you can write a huge check and kill someone's livestock.

BAM!!!!!!!! A good old fashioned October 2006 pre-crash argument!!!

[Bonesplitter]

I like deer hunting.

[EastTx]

This is a very sensative subject with me.
As it stands now the deer in Texas (penned or not) belong to the citizens of Texas, ALL of them. When you pen them up you are robbing people of the oppurtunity to legally harvest a state owned animal that they heve a right to (legally) harvest when they purchase a license.
If they want to pass this bill that's fine with me, just please call it what it really is and keep your pen raised, ear-tagged deer out of local contest and quit acting like your the greatest hunter of all because you can write a huge check and kill someone's livestock.

Your last paragraph reminds me of a guy on our lease who brings pictures of these 180-200 inch deer he has killed on some place in South Tx every year. Last year one of the ranches let him pick his deer from a brochure before he arrived, he killed it the first evening.

[rubydog]

We are back to this debate again it all boils down to people not liking the fact that others are making a living off of something they don't agree with. Just for debate sake why do you agree with the position that the TWS is taking. I for one am very opinionated on this subject and disagree with the TWS stance. I don't think that the privatization of Breeder Deer will cause one bit of harm to the sport we love and further more how would the privatization of breeder deer affect your everyday deer hunter anyway. My guess is that it would not affect you or your hunting lands in the least bit. Deer in breeder pens were bought and paid for and were never living outside of someones pens, why is it fair for a government agency to have the "ownership" over something I have paid for. Just my .02

Look at this statement. Where did breeder deer come from if they didn't originate in the wild? Please explain where these deer come from it not out of wild herds somewhere. You obviously take stance because you are afraid if the program goes away then your out of business. To some people it is a business that should never have been allowed in the first place.

[Jen-Man]

This is a very sensative subject with me.
As it stands now the deer in Texas (penned or not) belong to the citizens of Texas, ALL of them. When you pen them up you are robbing people of the oppurtunity to legally harvest a state owned animal that they heve a right to (legally) harvest when they purchase a license.
If they want to pass this bill that's fine with me, just please call it what it really is and keep your pen raised, ear-tagged deer out of local contest and quit acting like your the greatest hunter of all because you can write a huge check and kill someone's livestock.

I like it!

[Farmdog]

i emphatically cuncor spock

[Mister Bubba's bulletman]

Does the bill specify that only deer held in pens and high fences and currently under a breeder program be considered private property or does it include free ranging free born deer that live in the wild but are under the umbrella of a TPWD Wildlife plan?

What about free ranging deer that inhabit land that is under private wildlife plan?

Just about everybody does something to improve the herd they hunt.

I don't have a problem with breeders owning their deer if it's penned for life. You've bought it, feed it nursed it, it thinks of you as it mommy or daddy in some cases.

But I'd draw the line at the pen and the high fence.

If it's off the owners property and back to nature and on my land then it's fair game because it is not a domesticated animal no matter how tame it might be.

Hopefully it's out there several years improving the wild herd before someone takes it.

I also wouldn't allow the transfer of ownership from Texas to a private land owner just because he puts up a high fence.

I would require that hunting laws apply to all deer public or private. No open season on "Penned Breeders".

Any word if this bill made it out of committee?

[jetlag887]

Yeah, it's all fun and games till someone's get an eye put out, right?

Go forth and hunt brothers!

[kyle1974]

I think the powers that be should have a hand in deer breeding. Can someone say CWD???

what if, what if ,what if, what if.....

CWD occurs in free range deer far more often than breeding operations. It's just another excuse that has little merit to be used against deer breeding.

[trophy8]

i dont have a problem with it, i know several people who are in the business, one of which is one of my best friends who i have known since we were still in diapers.
i dont see how it can affect in a bad way, at least the high fence, breeder operation part. and some people get upset because of what they are doing, and how much money they are making, ill be the first to tell you they SPEND a TON to make what they do, and i know a few people who have lost a lot of money also.

unless you have walked those roads in their shoes dont judge.