Dog electric collar?

[Kdog]

By the way, my dog was not a pup when I did this with her. She was 3 years old, and had not been around kids much. (our kids were adopted at 2 and 3).

[Coon]

Get a copy of the book "The Koehler Method of Dog Training."
It is the best dog training book you'll ever read. William Kohler trained dogs for movies and all kinds of special tasks. He worked closely with Disney back in the days when they made all of the "Wonderful World of Disney" movies that were "dog" movies. Lots of good, common sense training methods. See if your local library has it and check it out.
Dave

[LFD2037]

A couple responses:
1)When I whooped the dog she was actually in the process of doing what I explained, it didn't happen after the fact. I completely understand they have to be corrected IN the act, not after.

2)All the reading I've done pertained to dog long lead training for bird dogs. She ain't no bird dog so I never put much thought into that. I'll definitely try the lead training.

3)She understands/obeys sit & stay. Only stays for a short period but I'm working on that. She understands NO but disregards it more than she follows it. I have worked w/her w/all the skill I have. I think now, if the lead trainging doesn't work, it's either shock collar, pay a pro for obedience training or get rid of her(which is my last resort). I understand she is a puppy & an energetic breed. Hopefully 1 of the 2 training options work.

[fox1]

E-collars are not the cure all most people want them to be. If your pup is just getting over excited then thats just the pup in her and more work in her life will help, sounds like it might be a dominance issue though and she is trying to assert herself in your pack. Basic obedience is the area you need to focus on more than just the jumping. If the dog is already pretty solid on the basics then have your daughter take her through the paces of sit, stay, heal.
I know how trying it can be but try your best not to lose your cool, watch your dog while training and when she starts losing interest in what your doing then kennel her for a couple of hours and then bring her back out and work some more. It all depends on the individual dog but at 7 1/2 months i would think that her attention span would be about 15 minutes tops. Good luck.

[Michael Chittum]

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[Bill]

My hunting partner refers to hit shock collar on his lab as her "hearing aid". It helps her hear.

Find a copy of "Mother Knows Best" by Dr. Lee Benjamin on puppy training. It has a number of great ideas on how to establish the alpha role and train the dog to behave how you want. It may help you out. She writes about establishing the alpha relationship with the dog without being physical with it. It worked great with our 2 golden retrievers, admittedly that breed is pretty easy to train since they really want to obey and please their owners.

[east tx hoghunt]

For all the guys that dissagree with the dogs punishment I would have to say that in the same situation they prob. would have done the same.In my opinion the E collar is a way better option then the pound or staying in the kennel all the time, which if my kids were scared to come out of the house would be my next resort.

[WyoBull]

I am a FIRM believer in E-collars and do not go to the field without mine on my lab. She is 5.5 years old and I have trained her with one since she was a pup. If you use it as a training aid in the beginning and do it correctly, like the training materials say, they are like having your dog on an invisible string.
Today, the only time I use any stimulation is if I need to get her attention, or she is about to get into trouble, ie, rattle snake, skunk etc. Personally, I would not take my dog into the field without it on her.
99% of the time all I use is the tone button to get her attention.
People who think E-collars are cruel have a lack of education in how these are "correctly" used. Or, they have seen some idiot shock their dog so bad his legs come off the ground for absolutely no good reason.
You want to reduce the stress on your life and the dog's? Get an E-collar and use correct training techniques.
Regarding your dog jumping on people, they are very effective at curing this problem if you do it correctly. I use TriTronics and they come with a DVD and training manual which specifically addresses this issue you are talking about. I believe you can go to their website and even download the training manual.

[Wulver]

First off I would like to say that dogs are pack animals and need correction (their place) and the pack leader never handed out treats in nature.

For me and my Catahoula the E collar changed our relationship. My dog gets super exited if I even go near the desk drawer I keep it in. Mine has a beep on it and I use that more than any thing else. It fixed my main problems.

A reminder is enough to make her ears move (no whimper or anything like that)
Pulling on leash, any time the lease got tight - a reminder.
Jumping - a reminder.
Digging - a reminder.
not coming when I call - a reminder.

This went on mainly for a bout a week, that's all. I used treats for sit but for all the rest I used the collar. Now, I only put the collar on my dog when we go to the lake and hiking in the woods and its mainly just as a failsafe if she chases hogs I can stop her. The beep I use to just let her know its time to come back. She runs up the trail to check it out and then runs back to me over and over. I haven't actually "shocked" her in over a year.

I will warn you people at the dog park or the trails will look at you like your the devil for putting a collar on your dog but they don't understand that my dog and me are happier than ever since I bought that collar.

[texag.hunter]

I have nothing against E-collars. However, I have only seen one used in action. My buddy's dog was terrible.. she would dash out of the house any time she had the chance, jump all over people who entered the house, and would bite you when trying to pet her. The first day he put the E-collar on her, she turned into a different dog, however, any time she does not have the collar on she goes back to her old ways. As a couple of members have mention.. he basically used the collar as a cructh and did not attempt to train the dog himself.

I agree with giving your dog training sessions to fix the problem. I would try this first and go from there:

Enter the back yard with dog alone. Make sure your dog is calm and have your daughter enter the back yard. Work with the dog until she no longer tackles your daughter and remains calm thought the session. I would use a leash in the beginning.

[SirWraithe]

Training works wonders, e-collars only enforce what they have already been taught, they are not for teaching but rather reinforcement imho.

15 minutes a day, training ON LEAD

work on one thing a day. Sit, praise. again, and again. let them walk around.

Stay is easy to teach. Once they've done good with sit, have them facing you while you're knelt down. Begin to slowly step backwards while saying stay, stay, stay. Watch the dog, the MOMENT they start to move to stand up, say HERE. They will come to you. This evokes a positive act rather than a negative one.

Here is taught on lead just like everything else. Have a long lead, 20' or so, let the dog wander out. When they get slack brought up on the lead, say HERE and bring the lead in hand over hand while repeating HERE, HERE, HERE. If the dog tries to fight you, keep pulling them in. When they get to you, praise them. Praise them where if your hunting buddies were there it would embarrass you!

NO can be trained many ways but it's hard to train in a session. Have a few things outside while you're training that the dog doesn't need to get into or do. Have a long lead, 10-20' and let the dog walk up to whatever it is you may have out, once they begin to "screw up", pull back on the lead while saying no. If the dog is close enough to you, use the other end of the lead for a light swat on the nose. NOT a hard pop!

For jumping on folks, it does take some aggressive techniques... If the dog only jumps on your daughter, this may be more difficult. If the dog jumps on you or someone else big enough, while the dog jumps, a quick knee to the chest OR a hand under their chin flipping them over... it won't take long but it IS aggressive but NOT as aggressive as stomping a dog's head...

ALWAYS end a training session on a good note.

Watch their reactions. You can tell when they aren't interested. Make a small obedience command and once it's accomplished, praise, praise and praise some more.

DON'T EVER USE A KENNEL AS A JAIL! A dog considers a kennel as their home, their "safe place".

Good Luck...

[fox1]

I probably wasnt clear and i apologize, i wasnt saying e-collars dont work, i wouldnt hunt my lab with out one but alot of times there are other things at work in your dogs mind that an e-collar cant fix.

[offthemap]

Get a pinch collar and let the dog run around with it on.. then tie on a rope or leash and let it run around. then let the dog in a room or kennel (any kind of small controlled environment) and step on the rope or leash and when the dog jumps it will get pinched. Do this repeatedly with all family members and in all common places for the dog to be. Its a cheaper alternative to an E-collar. But if that doesnt work Id suggest a Tri-tronics collar. It is the only one I use.

[Michael Chittum]

First off I would like to say that dogs are pack animals and need correction (their place) and the pack leader never handed out treats in nature.

For me and my Catahoula the E collar changed our relationship. My dog gets super exited if I even go near the desk drawer I keep it in. Mine has a beep on it and I use that more than any thing else. It fixed my main problems.

A reminder is enough to make her ears move (no whimper or anything like that)
Pulling on leash, any time the lease got tight - a reminder.
Jumping - a reminder.
Digging - a reminder.
not coming when I call - a reminder.

This went on mainly for a bout a week, that's all. I used treats for sit but for all the rest I used the collar. Now, I only put the collar on my dog when we go to the lake and hiking in the woods and its mainly just as a failsafe if she chases hogs I can stop her. The beep I use to just let her know its time to come back. She runs up the trail to check it out and then runs back to me over and over. I haven't actually "shocked" her in over a year.

I will warn you people at the dog park or the trails will look at you like your the devil for putting a collar on your dog but they don't understand that my dog and me are happier than ever since I bought that collar.

My opinion is people condone anyway that is not their way. Especially at the dog park.

On your comments, I agree and disagree. Pretty simple really. Seems like every one (including myself) has a method and done right all will give results. I have studied Karen Pryor's methods on clicker training, taken courses from Sit Means Sit technique (which is shock collars) and I have used treats. To say that a pack leader never gave treats is way off base. A pack leader in nature never tried to mold a behavior that fits in to a humans life style. Treats work. Does that mean you feed him treats from now on? No, but you use it until the behavior is shaped. Clickers mark the behavior, it too works. Shock collars also work. My aggressive dog would stayed kenneled up without his shock collar and she too loves it when I put it on her. It gives her freedom to go places with me and be caught before going into butt-head mode. But I have also messed up and hit it when she was into it with another dog. Made it worse. With there being other ways to train and a child involved in this instance, personally, I would use another way and not take the chance with an EC. Not to mention, why buy it when there is other ways that are just as effective.

I will say this. I have a dog that has damage to its throat (that way when we got him) from a choke chain. I'm not saying that I have never used one, but I can tell you that any type of choke chain and or pinch collar will do damage and you will never catch me using another one. Some times a little damage at a time and sometime all at once but when it happens, its permanent. Anyone that thinks this is a safe and effective way to train your dog, come check out mine that has the problems. You'll find a different way.

[SCREAMINREELS]

i use tri tronics..its amazing the results i got, but it does depend on the dog, my buddy has a dog who will cray and simply not do anything after it was shocked once....basically a ruined dog if hes wearing it....scared the mess out of him...so its not for all dogs, its also not for all owners 9 som e people dont know how to treat a dog), remember your dog trusts you, use it like you would as punishment/training a kid, dont just shock the mess out of your dog and be abusive to it, hope it works for you