seatbelt ticket question

[Extremebowman]

Thanks, I got his point. It has no merit. If someone broadsides you by the time you can react it is over. The seatbelt has no bearing on controlling the vehicle.

Apparently you didn't get "the merit" of my point, the situation I showed with pictures had nothing to do with being broadsided. As said in the post "cars that ran off of the road". The control theory, which I will grant that, is in the event something happens that could remove you from your seat, rendering you unable to control the vehicle. I understand your confusion though, this thread has bounced all over, so I'm sure it was an honest mistake

[temple droptine]

Thanks, I got his point. It has no merit. If someone broadsides you by the time you can react it is over. The seatbelt has no bearing on controlling the vehicle.

I am unsure how you figure this.

If you are broadsided by 20 MPH, in the LRQ while moving, you will be thrown to the passenger side of the vehicle, no matter how strong you are, if you are unsecured. There is no chance for you to col the vehicle from your position in the vehicle now.

On the other hand if you are secured, you remain in your driver's seat, albeit the vehicle has more than likely lost control, you now have a chance, or the ability to correct the vehicle.

I have several years seeing this first hand. Seat belts do not just save the lives of the driver wearing them, they will in turn save the life of the other people on the road.

cb

edit: EB beat me to it.

[systemnt]

I am unsure how you figure this.

If you are broadsided by 20 MPH, in the LRQ while moving, you will be thrown to the passenger side of the vehicle, .

I agree with you..but I think your illustration is wrong..
if you are driving and broadsided in the Left Rear Quarter Panel.. you will first be slammed (regardless of whether you're wearing a seat belt or not) into the the left side of the passenger compartment (drivers side door/window), by the impact - , and depending on if theres something to immediately stop the inertia of the broadside hit, THEN be thrown into the passenger side of the vehicle.

[temple droptine]

I agree with you..but I think your illustration is wrong..
if you are driving and broadsided in the Left Rear Quarter Panel.. you will first be slammed (regardless of whether you're wearing a seat belt or not) into the the left side of the passenger compartment (drivers side door/window), by the impact - , and depending on if theres something to immediately stop the inertia of the broadside hit, THEN be thrown into the passenger side of the vehicle.

You are correct. Good catch. It would be immediate on RRQ, and would be a rebound on LRQ.

cb

[Extremebowman]

Looking back to the what the initial question was in this thread and where it has evolved to, likie Maniac said, is pretty funny

[TexasBlake]

do seat belts save lives? Yes they do.
Should there be a seatbelt law? No
is the seatbelt law primarily for revenue enhancement and an excuse to pull people over to check for other violations. Yes it is.

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[Smart]

Only on TBH does a seatbelt ticket question get turned into talk about our forefathers and the Constitution...

[CaptainDave]

If you can pay your own funeral/hospital expenses without any money coming out of my pocket, don't wear your seatbelt. If I have to pay any portion of your funeral/hospital expenses, please wear your seatbelt.

Oppressive? You're freakin' joking, right?

X2

Funny how the non seat belt crowd always claims that their choice does not affect others. In reality, it does and that's why there is a law. I have never really understood this anyways. Why would you not want to wear a seatbelt; even if there wasn't a law against it? Just makes no sense to me. I've never heard a legitimate excuse not to.

[TexasBlake]

I dont think anyone is claiming "seatbelts are stupid" or "i cant be hurt in crash because I drive a manly beast of a truck." The argument is, Should we be ticketed for making a personal decision on our safety.

I do not think we should have to pay $180 dollars if we do not have a seatbelt on. I think we should have to pay $1800 dollars if you have a unbuckled child in the car or someone that cannot make the decison on their own.

I always wear my seatbelt but pulled out of a parking garage on campus and was handed $180 ticket before I could hang my gate pass back on my review mirror.

Do seatbelts save lives and is a smart deicison to wear them: Yes
Do i think we should fine someone for making their stupid personal decision: No.

(its not a moving violation)

[Bullydog]

Something to consider...... Airbags are designed as part of a complete safety package,
to work in tandem with your seatbelt. Remove the seatbelt and the airbag not only loses its effectiveness, it can cause other forces to take over. You can and will submarine and get wedged into the floorboard.

Ive watched FD scratch their head wondering how to get 6-2 250pd man pretzel out from under a dash.....But hey it was his right not to succumb to the man and all his crazy rules... Now he doesn’t have to worry about them crazy rules anymore...

His seat belted passenger walked away with a couple broken ribs.

[tvc184]

Is it legal to ride in the back of trucks with out a seat belt?

You can ride in the bed of a pickup if you are 18 years of age or older or younger than that if it is the only vehicle owned by a family.

The violation of the offense is against the driver and not against the child under 18 that is riding in the bed.

[on-a-mission]

I would guess that most if not all who have posted to this thread have enough common sense and smarts about them to know that wearing a seatbelt is the right and safe thing to do weather it's a law or not.
However this group represents only a very small sampling of the drivers in Texas and there are plenty of them out there the NEED these laws in place as they don't have the smarts or common sense enough to know better without it being law. Also I feel new drivers (our sons and daughters) need the laws in place to protect them as they do not have the "real world" expierance under their belts and all they know is what they studied in drivers ed and the safety laws hopefully explained to them.
Just my 2c.

[temple droptine]

Guys, I have gotten a little emotional on this subject, and if I have hurt any feelings, or caused this thread to go in the worng direction, I truly am sorry for that. But, I have strong feelings about wearing a seatbelt.

I have had to hold a 3 yo little girl, while she was crying, and try to explain to her why her mommy (decapitated by the windshield she went through, after being hit by a drunk driver) wasn't moving anymore.

I have had to tell parents to their face, and over the phone their child is no longer alive because of a wreck (whether it was their fault or not) knowing dang well they would still be here if they had their seat belt on.

I have also been privledged enough to go and visit people that I have helped extricate from NASTY collisions that should have not been alive, but they had their seat belt on.

For those of you that are against the law requiring it, I understand your frustration, I received a ticket with my wife driving, pulling out of Sonic (yes we tipped) and I was handing my son his kids meal in the back seat, literally feet onto the road. Did I break the law, yes, should I have been ticketed, yes. Did I thank the officers for enforcing a law that not many people like, dang right (yes they were surprised). But the night before that on Christmas night, I was holding that little 3 yo little girl mentioned above, and looking at my 3 yo in the back seat eating his kids meal through the window, thinking very easily it could be someone was holding right at this moment.

If you have had to witness anything like I have mentioned above, trust me, you would not have an issue with the law, and you understand where I am coming from.

If you have not had to witness it, thank your lucky stars, and I pray you never have to.

Once again, sorry if I ruffled some feathers with a few of you.

I love this place!

cb

[techsan]

[QUOTE=trailboss;2625487]Okay - I haven't read every post in this thread but I will say its not a money grab - it's a live saver. Seat belts save lives! And if you're not interested in saving your own - consider that it may save mine!

If they are not interested in saving their own, sure not interested in saving yours!

[Cotton]

On a side note...why is it a law to wear a seatbbelt, but not a law to wear a helmet on a motorcycle? I don't ride a bike, so it doesn't really affect me, just something I never understood.

-Brandon

The reason you don't have to wear a helmet is because it's cheaper to bury you than to fix a broken body. On a motorcycle you are more likely to live with a helmet on but it usually come with bad injuries. In a car it is more likely you will live with serious injuries when not wearing a seatbelt than die. While wearing a seatbelt it’s more likely you will walk away or have minor injuries.

This is not the government concerned with your safety as an individual, it’s just easier to sell the public on the safety thing. It’s the government concerned with the masses being able to afford insurance, after all it’s cheaper to bury you than pay a lifetime of medical care caused by an accident.