poison on lease, need help

[Bones]

The bait used will depend on the trapper. Could be anything from meat to a urine soaked rag, estrus or male.

[SWAMPUS]

When I was a kid in Uvalde they used to tie and bury a piece of meat to the poison spray bomb.--don't know if they still do it that way--also marked.--still ain't eatin any more Yoats..............

[Mike Murphey]

I don't know how your trapper is setting the traps but most of the ones that I have seen use a attractent scent and not a piece of meat/rag......usually they are targeting coyotes/coons/fox/badger.....

[outlaw38]

We use cotton balls soaked in bacon grease. This is tied to the trap with a string. Yotes inhale the poison, which has a flash point of 75 degrees. By the time he inhales it, it has gased off. No residual poison to spread to other animals.

[bearintex]

You can drag 2 dead calves off. 1 of them with antibiotics in its system, with 200 buzzards above them they WILL NOT eat the medicated one. Beats anything I've ever seen. Seen em peck the eyes out of a yote but never sit on top and eat it.

My old lease had cows on it. Had a full grown bull kick over near my feeder. Nothing touched it. It took 6 months for it to quit stinking. Also had a calf die nearby. It didn't last 3 days. Nothing left but a greasy spot. Almost all buzzards and cara-cara's according to the camera.

[Artos]

Winner! In the case of M44's (USDA Trappers cyanide bombs), The bait is the "trip wire", not the poison. Cyanide gas stored under pressure and released into the offenders face when the "bomb" is tripped. There is no residual, secondary or latent effect from cyanide gas. The M44's set locations will be clearly marked, by the trapper, for your avoidance.

Steve

This still scares me...my dogs can't read.

I know we had them one time on our place way before we got on, and I am assured they are all gone but I still worry about the hounds running across one. So many illegals running through, there is a chance one could have picked up the marker.

Is there a shelf life??

[Bones]

No, you are right, dogs are a concern. I don't have any idea what the shelf life is. Id imagine a long time though. These things are highly regulated though, and the trappers keep really close tabs on their locations. I really don't think there is much chance of one going un-recovered.

[Welderman]

Hunted on a place in Ozona that had these on it, main reason was to control skunks with rabies. Amazing it did nothing to control coons. We did not see any signs of animals that had got into it. No yotes on the place, they had been eradicated long before. I think you just take precautions when you come across a dead animal. If he is still walking he is prob OK.

[predatorsniper]

Sodium Cyanide, while extremely poisonous, is very safe from an environmental standpoint. If the contents of the M-44 capsule spill onto the soil, predators skin, etc. the active ingredient dissolves/dissipates into gas rapidly due to soil moisture and moisture in the air.

Again, that doesn't mean they aren't extremely dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Sodium Cyanide can be absorbed through the skin and mucous membranes and kill you through chemical asphyxiation.

So....the M–44 works by ejecting sodium cyanide powder into the mouth of the predator when the animal pulls on the baited M–44. The sodium cyanide powder reacts with the moisture in the predator's mouth and it makes the powder release hydrogen cyanide gas. Even though the predator that pulls the bait and receives a lethal dose dies within seconds (and up to a couple of minutes) the Sodium Cyanide still dissipates.

Also, other predators that feed on a predator killed by an M-44 won't be harmed.

But remember....DON'T MESS WITH M-44's!!!

predatorsniper

[stinkbelly]

Dove hunted a place in Hamilton 15 years ago that had a sign on the front gate saying they were in the area. This always scares me with a hunting dog. What if a kid stole the sign, I wouldn't know.

[predatorsniper]

That's why those signs are placed on the gates and in the immediate vicinity of the M-44.....so you'll know about the lethal hazard that could kill your dog, child, etc.

I wouldn't take my dog onto a place that had M44's set on it. Just not worth it. I'm also VERY stern with my kids that they stay away from them and the little signs that are hanging around them.

predatorsniper

[Tbar]

M44 baits must be pulled on to go off. A cow can step on them without a problem.

Unfortunately the scents will attract dogs as well as coyotes so beware............


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[cosmiccowboy]

From the USDA:

The M–44 is safe to use and poses an insignificant risk to the environment. The amount of sodium cyanide mixture in each capsule is approximately 0.03 ounce (0.97 gram). If, for some reason, the contents of the capsule spill onto the soil, the active ingredient dissipates into gas rapidly due to soil moisture. If there is no moisture, the sodium cyanide filters through the soil, where it is readily degraded by micro-organisms or other mechanisms.

Experiments conducted by WS' National Wildlife Research Center designed to study the effects of cyanide contamination of the soil from application of M–44 cyanide capsules indicate that the toxic effects of cyanide are extremely shortlived because cyanide decomposes within 24 hours into harmless byproducts. Bioaccumulation is extremely unlikely because the material is metabolized immediately.

The risk of secondary poisoning of predators feeding on the carcass of an animal killed with an M–44 is nonexistent. The M–44's mode of action, chemical asphyxiation, limits the assimilation of the toxic compound into the body and tissue for availability to predators feeding on an animal killed by this device. In other words, an animal feeding on a predator killed by an M–44 will not be harmed because there is virtually no poison in the dead animalØs tissues to pass along to the scavenging animal.

[wellingtontx]

Anybody got a pic of one of these or pics of the setup ?

[Tbar]

Anybody got a pic of one of these or pics of the setup ?

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