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    Learned Something ......Maybe?

    Well this past Saturday when I shot my buck that I posted on the Trad Harvest Thread I made a less than perfect shot. Hit him about 5' further back thatn I wanted too. He was perfectly broadside and I put the arrow thru his last rib on both sides. I was confident that I was a direct Liver and possible back of lung hit. He jumped out of my feeder pen trotted about 25yds facing straight away and stood statue still for 25 minutes without even wiggling an ear. I happened to have a rifle in the blind with me so I was watching him thru the scope and could tell that he wasn't bleeding very much from the entry and exit wounds but was obviously very sick. I decided that if he started to walk/run off I was going to finish him with the rifle to prevent a difficult track job in the dark.

    He finally started to walk off and as he turned broadside I squeezed the trigger. Misfire. I quickly worked the bolt and the deer heard this. He started to trot at this point. He went about 30 more yds and stopped again but was behind a mesquite tree and didn't provide a shot. I should have stayed put at this point as I could see him starting to sway side to side but I didn't. I got out of the blind and attempted to relocate to get a clear shot. This was a bad idea. He saw me as I was about to shoot at him and started picking up the pace. I was able to get a clear shot and put a round thru his neck and dropped him.

    This is what I learned. Upon gutting him I discovered that I was correct in my observation of the first shot. The arrow went thru the liver and the back of one lung and out the diaphragm. His chest cavity was completely full of blood and he was essentially dead on his feet. The deer I shot last year did the same thing shot thru the liver and I spooked him not knowing he was standing 30 yds from the blind when I exited it 30 minutes later. So Basically Im saying if you think its a liver hit give them PLENTY of time.

    If I would have waited him out I think he would have stood in his second location until he died had I not racked the bolt and spooked him. But in my head I was trying to prevent a difficult track job. What says the green screen? Did I make the right call or should I have waited him out. And does it still count as a true TRAD kill?

    This makes me wonder how many deer that have been liver shot are simply standing still just inside the brush close to where they were shot and slink away unseen by the hunter as they approach to look for the arrow or first blood.

    #2
    I’d have shot with the rifle as soon as I knew it was a liver hit. That’s just me I’m there to kill and eat I don’t really care what my weapon is. I can’t stand to see anything suffer. I’m not sure if deer feel pain like we do but I’m my head they do. I try to end anything I kill as quickly as possible.


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      #3
      I made the same shot on a doe last season. She jumped out of the pen went 10 more yards and stood there for 5 minutes. Finally laid down and in another 10 (or less) minutes was dead. I also knew it was liver, the broadhead was sharp and it was a lethal shot. However I sat there looking at her with binoculars for 30 minutes.
      The siting there waiting is difficult no doubt. However it makes a significant difference. In m experience a liver shot deer seldom goes more than 60 or 70 yards before stopping. Less if good cover is available and they don't catch your scent.
      However I don't blame you for knocking him down. Be prepared. It's our moto.

      Gary

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        #4
        Without having been shot by the arrow, that deer would not have been killed. Besides, the arrow drew first blood and was a lethal hit. So I go with this one as having been a bow kill.

        Having the option with the rifle in the blind, I'd have put a round in him within a couple of minutes tops.

        Not trying to say that I think how you handled the situation was wrong. Just that I'd do it a little different.

        Congrats on the trad kill!

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          #5
          I would think being 5 foot off would be a clean miss.

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            #6
            Originally posted by kruppa24 View Post
            I would think being 5 foot off would be a clean miss.
            Everything is bigger in Texas. Especially the deer.[emoji1]

            Gary

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              #7
              Originally posted by kruppa24 View Post
              I would think being 5 foot off would be a clean miss.
              LOL oops. 5"

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                #8
                Learned Something ......Maybe?

                Glad it worked out, and you recovered him! A lot of times, it doesn’t happen that way!!!

                Like above, I probably would have shot him earlier with the rifle, BUT, the misfire still would have happened, so it can’t be second guessed.

                If I know one is gut shot or marginally hit, and is in sight, I will sit and wait it out if I can’t get another shot. If not in sight, I will slip out as quietly as possible, and wait!!!!

                As far as trad kill or not, just go with what you think, and don’t worry about what anybody else thinks. Not enough time in life for that kind of drama!!!!

                Congrats again on a great buck!

                Bisch


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                Last edited by Bisch; 12-24-2019, 01:01 PM.

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                  #9
                  I shot two pigs over the weekend one a bad shot that fortunately hit a main artery and put it down quick and close but I put a follow up arrow in the chest anyway. The other a shot low on a 30lber that I clipped the lower chest. Never found it. Hated it. Even started to leave the longbow at the house and just take my compound I was so discouraged.
                  Regardless of what may be said how I do it matters. That's why we do it the hard way.
                  But when it comes to a marginal hit on an animal all bets are off. I believe you put it down hard and fast if you have the means and the shot.

                  Gary

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sweetinlow660 View Post
                    LOL oops. 5"

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                      #11
                      Thanks guys. I agree with putting him down hard and fast if possible. To be honest i didn't realized I had watched him for that long until it was all over with. and until he turned to walk away after the first 20plus minutes I didn't have anything but a back of the head or "TEXAS Heartshot" and was not comfortable with that. As soon as he turned and offered an ethical shot I pulled the trigger, but the misfire complicated the situation.

                      To be perfectly honesty he makes the 4th buck i've killed with trad gear and I've shot everyone of them thru the liver. You would think I would know how to handle a shot like that by this point. Seems like no matter how far forward I hold my arrow drifts back, regardless of which way yhe deer is facing. So its not a right or left issue its always a back issue. Thats hunting I guess and I agree with you DRT the method I use to take game matters to me also and I hated to shoot him with the rifle at all but it all worked out in the end I guess.

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                        #12
                        He'll eat.
                        The rest is just memories. Honestly I've shot a couple lefts I tend to overdraw a bit if I'm not careful. I'm not sure if that's what happened on the pig bnb or he scooted. But your deer and my pig are dead and headed to the freezer.
                        The tough ones, the ones that made you work or took a little something more, tendbtobstay with you. Hopefully help you. Definitely make you smile over a cup of coffee.

                        Gary

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                          #13
                          This is very typical of a liver gut shot deer...I have tracking dogs and have tracked 2 this season one was liver and out the guts died in a pond about 300 yards out...the other my wife shot straight through the guts and died about 200 yards out but both of them were given ample time to die...sometimes they die quick but most of the time the only thing that will kill these deer is time both of the deer that we recovered this year shot this way were recovered 19 and 24 hours later...i would personally give no less than 12 hours before I took up a track on a deer like these if left alone they will not go far and will die...and people can say well I wanted to get to him before the coyotes or the rain or whatever pushes them to track sooner than later but tracking him sooner won’t make him dead only time will tracking him sooner will push the deer and never be recovered...but for sure if I had the means to shoot again I would...putting this all out there just because it is what I have learned from tracking deer especially going on multiple calls with the dogs

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                            #14
                            What he said^^^^^!

                            Great post Caleb!!!!

                            And Merry Christmas, all!!!!!

                            Bisch


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                              #15
                              Good info thanks for sharing.


                              Sierracharlie out…

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