New arrow problem

[Destry]

I bought a dozen gold tip 500 shafts shooting out of a bob Lee 61 @ 28" and I bare shaft tuned and trimmed off the back end until it was flying straight. I cut all my arrows to the same length and fletched 1/2 dozen arrows and when I shoot the tail of my arrows are kicking to the right. I have 100 gr inserts and 145 gr field points. I have a hard time believing that the arrows could be too stiff. They are cut 27 1/4" from throat of the nock to end of shaft.

[SwampRabbit]

I bought a dozen gold tip 500 shafts shooting out of a bob Lee 61 @ 28" and I bare shaft tuned and trimmed off the back end until it was flying straight. I cut all my arrows to the same length and fletched 1/2 dozen arrows and when I shoot the tail of my arrows are kicking to the right. I have 100 gr inserts and 145 gr field points. I have a hard time believing that the arrows could be too stiff. They are cut 27 1/4" from throat of the nock to end of shaft.

How far are they kicking? got a pic? When you add fletching, you will end up with a slightly stiffer spine arrow because the addition of the feathers makes the dynamic spine stiffer. But usually it isn't too terribly much. I tend to bareshaft tune to slightly weak to accommodate.

Try playing with tip weight to see if you can get it to come back. Go to 175gr tips and see what that does for you. If it moves, it could be spine. But, it could be fletching contact, have you tried shooting the bareshaft again? Rotate the fletched arrow and see if any different position helps.

This might be obvious now... but next time, you might want to cut and fletch one arrow and check flight before fully committing to a half dozen arrows.

Also what is your draw length? Noticed you said 61@28, but cut to 27 1/4. Top of my head I was thinking you were shooting too weak (500s w/ 61@28) but since you cut them down so short I can't tell.

[jerp]

Have you run it through the dynamic spine calculator? I see why you have a hard time believing they are too stiff, even being that short. For example, I shoot the same total tip weight on 340's which are significantly stiffer - and that is out of a 55# bow.

[Destry]

I am drawing 27"... I should have used 2 arrows instead of cutting the whole dozen I have a couple Easton axis that fly like darts and they are 400 spine with 75 gr inserts and they are 29" long but the reason I made the switch is because I'm not a fan of the hidden insert and plus the gold tips are cheaper. That's probably what happened is they are to stiff. I could do like swamp rabbit said and add more weight to the front but then I would have to get heavier broadheads too. And no I haven't done the spine calculator. I used gold tips website to choose the spine.

[SwampRabbit]

I am drawing 27"... I should have used 2 arrows instead of cutting the whole dozen I have a couple Easton axis that fly like darts and they are 400 spine with 75 gr inserts and they are 29" long but the reason I made the switch is because I'm not a fan of the hidden insert and plus the gold tips are cheaper. That's probably what happened is they are to stiff. I could do like swamp rabbit said and add more weight to the front but then I would have to get heavier broadheads too. And no I haven't done the spine calculator. I used gold tips website to choose the spine.

Add the weight and see how it reacts first. If the inserts can take the screw in weights, you might can just add more weight that way.

Or it could be fletching contact too.

First things first is to determine if you are indeed too stiff or something else entirely. Then go from there.

Even though they fly nock right, are they hitting left of where you are looking?

[TXMark]

I think you may be too weak with that set up. I shoot 59#s and use 340's cut to 29 1/2 with 245 up front. Everyone is a little different but I would try a stiffer arrow.

[Destry]

Swamp rabbit- I take back my statement... Earlier when the wind was blowing pretty good and it was kicking to the right, could've been the problem. I just shot again and was still getting erratic arrow flight ( you could see the feathers make a pretty good "swirl") and I was all over the place. Being all over the place could've been me being frustrated!

[Destry]

Tx mark I guess it wouldn't hurt to trim a bit off and see. Better yet I'll post up a pic shortly of a fletched and a bare shaft.

[Destry]

These are 10-12 yards and I shot both of these square with the target so you can see in the first pic the fletched shaft is just a tad right on the back end. Same thing on the hay bale.

[Bisch]

I am not seeing any possible way those .500's are not too weak for a 58# bow! i could be wrong? I have seen stranger things, but man, I would think you would need at least .400 spine.

Bisch

[caughtandhobble]

Looks weak to me Brother.

[Destry]

Ok thanks I am 3" past the riser so I can trim and move down to 125 grain points if I need

[Destry]

Let me say this I have shot compounds for 12 years and know how to tune them. But this is all new to me and I'm a perfectionist! thanks fellas

[chackworth3]

If I were going to guess I would say that arrow is going to be pretty weak for your set up. Keeping your tip/insert weight the same you would probably need to go up to at least a 400 if not 300 spine and lengthen your arrow a little. If you are drawing 27 and your arrow is already 27 1/4" I would go up in spine and lengthen them to at least 3/4-1" longer than your draw length so you don't over draw them or if you are planning on using broadheads with them, cut your finger

[SwampRabbit]

These are 10-12 yards and I shot both of these square with the target so you can see in the first pic the fletched shaft is just a tad right on the back end. Same thing on the hay bale.

#1 cannot bare shaft tune on a bag target unless you are looking at arrow as it flies.

#2 "kick" usually refers to the nock end, not point end.

You are nock to the left and bare hitting right of fletch.... You are weak! Don't trim. Take weight from the tip first to stiffen up. Putt 100 grs points and watch it come back to your fletched.

And I agree, figured you ahould be weak and those pictures show that (assumimg you are right handed)