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[jdg13]

You just trying to have an argument? If so we can have one with all you assumptions. I’m on night shift. I got all night. Your call

What, pray tell, do you want to argue about? Did I strike a nerve responding to another one of your smartazz comments or are you just bored? Read the edit, I don't care how someone hunts, but acting like sitting at a feeder is hard is just laughable.

[trophy8]

What, pray tell, do you want to argue about? Are you just bored? Mad someone responded to another one of you're pot stirring comments?

Ha! Pot calling the kettle black. You make a lot of assumptions and run your mouth. Your dad has never acted like that on here so not sure where you started it. I rarely stir the pot. But I’ll give my opinion based on real world experience.

Guess how many deer I’ve bombed at distance? NONE. I don’t shoot game animals at long range. 360 yards is the furthest. Most all of my biggest trophies have been spot and stalk. My big whitetail was low fence in a blind with a bow.

But I don’t really care. You idiots running around trashing on how other hunters want to hunt gets old. Let folks hunt how they will and STFU already. We got enough folks that don’t like hunting. No point in bickering about how each other wants to do things.

[Voodoo]

Everyone has different reasons why they hunt. Don’t think any answer is wrong to that question so long as it’s legal.

Oh so now if your not “legal” you aren’t hunting? Taking a big buck in a highway median in a state you don’t have a license in, exhilarating!

[trophy8]

Oh so now if your not “legal” you aren’t hunting? Taking a big buck in a highway median in a state you don’t have a license in, exhilarating!

You’re a dumbass. Seriously.

[Voodoo]

Hmm, some folk take life too seriously.

Its a strong possibility I’m your real daddy. I shoulda named you “Sue” !

[jdg13]

Ha! Pot calling the kettle black. You make a lot of assumptions and run your mouth. Your dad has never acted like that on here so not sure where you started it. I rarely stir the pot. But I’ll give my opinion based on real world experience.

Guess how many deer I’ve bombed at distance? NONE. I don’t shoot game animals at long range. 360 yards is the furthest. Most all of my biggest trophies have been spot and stalk. My big whitetail was low fence in a blind with a bow.

But I don’t really care. You idiots running around trashing on how other hunters want to hunt gets old. Let folks hunt how they will and STFU already. We got enough folks that don’t like hunting. No point in bickering about how each other wants to do things.

Yeah, ok, you got me, I'm just an azzhole that wasn't raised right. Sorry you thought I was making it personal with regards to feeder hunting and long shooting but that wasn't the intent. I grew up hunting feeders, and I've taken some long shots while out stalking axis in the hill country, and I've shot deer at 10 yards with a bow. I've said multiple times in this thread that I don't care how people hunt. Guess I upset you for seeing that some ways are easier than others and pointing that out though. Enjoy the rest of your shift.

[trophy8]

Yeah, ok, you got me, I'm just an azzhole that wasn't raised right. Sorry you thought I was making it personal with regards to feeder hunting and long shooting but that wasn't the intent. I grew up hunting feeders, and I've taken some long shots while out stalking axis in the hill country, and I've shot deer at 10 yards with a bow. I've said multiple times in this thread that I don't care how people hunt. Guess I upset you for seeing that some ways are easier than others and pointing that out though. Enjoy the rest of your shift.

Never said a thing about your raising. I think your dad is a great dude. Yes feeder hunting can be easier. So can rifle hunting. My point was that if it’s easy then everyone would be cleaning house over a feeder. And that I get tired of folks slamming the way others do stuff. You’d be surprised what I don’t like. Doesn’t mean I won’t support your ability to do it. High fence. Breeder deer. Cross bow. Rifle. I don’t care. Get out and hunt and support others along the way. THAT is my point.

I don’t need some fudd to write an article about why he thinks something is easier or harder. Usually those that are not very successful start slamming folks that way. No need for it.

[jdg13]

Never said a thing about your raising. I think your dad is a great dude. Yes feeder hunting can be easier. So can rifle hunting. My point was that if it’s easy then everyone would be cleaning house over a feeder. And that I get tired of folks slamming the way others do stuff. You’d be surprised what I don’t like. Doesn’t mean I won’t support your ability to do it. High fence. Breeder deer. Cross bow. Rifle. I don’t care. Get out and hunt and support others along the way. THAT is my point.

I don’t need some fudd to write an article about why he thinks something is easier or harder. Usually those that are not very successful start slamming folks that way. No need for it.

Agree 100%. No reason for hunter vs hunter.

[fish4food]

Oh so now if your not “legal” you aren’t hunting? Taking a big buck in a highway median in a state you don’t have a license in, exhilarating!

Locking the gate you know the Game Warden is sitting behind at night, and then shooting one of the deer they pulled to the road, now that is a rush.

[Voodoo]

Found another old article that is a ballistic twin of the first, no original songs anymore.

“ Finally finally, the 30-30 Winchester puts the hunt back in hunting. Limited range and open sights (I strongly suggest a Skinner Peep) mean you have to hunt for your deer, not just snipe it.”

https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/30-30-winchester-is-a-joke/

[RifleBowPistol]

Locking the gate you know the Game Warden is sitting behind at night, and then shooting one of the deer they pulled to the road, now that is a rush.

One night I found one of those decoy bucks along the side of the road. The warden must have been a rookie, it was horribly obvious it was a decoy. I did not have any guns with me, was not hunting. But I slowed down, stopped and looked at the decoy. I almost jumped out, grabbed it and tossed in the back o the truck and took off with it. But then had this thought, they could probably charge me with theft of state property or something, so I left it there. It would have been funny, if I would have taken it back in town and set it up at the only convenience store in town. Right in front of the store. I don't think the game warden would have thought it was so funny.

[RifleBowPistol]

The guy who wrote that article, is old, with old narrow minded thoughts. Yes, 30-30s have been used to kill everything in North America and South America and probably much of the rest of the globe. Years ago, 30-30s were used by a lot of people to kill elk, moose, bears of all sizes and types. Because that's what they had. There are still places, mainly way up north, Canada and Alaska where Eskimo tribe members still use 30-30s and all type of other calibers that today are not considered good choice for big game. But they kill all types of stuff for food every year.

The old guy's story of penetration is what kills, is off, all three 30 caliber rounds he mentioned will easily go completely through a whitetail deer. So I am not sure where he thinks a 150 gr. bullet from a 30-30 will expand large and penetrate deeper than a 150 gr. bullet from a 308 or 30-06. The faster a bullet move, the more it will expand, when it hits a animal. The more expansion, the more the bullet releases energy and the faster it slows. A mushroomed bullet is a lot like a parachute, the larger the diameter the faster it slows down.

30-30s and other lower velocity rounds use thinner jacketing to get the bullets to properly expand, A lower velocity bullet of the same weight as a higher velocity bullet, if they both expand to the same size, the higher velocity bullet will still penetrate deeper. Now on the other hand, if you shoot exactly the same bullet out of different caliber guns or change the powder charge to increase or decrease the velocity. Slowing a bullet down, will cause it to penetrate deeper, because the bullet does not expand as much. If it's a bullet design that does expand. Once you have slowed a bullet down to where it expands very little when it hits a given animal, that velocity will most likely produce the greatest penetration. But the damage will be reduced, less energy released into the animal, but the bullet will go deeper. So his idea of a slower 30-30 bullet kills better, by expanding to large size and penetrating deeper is not correct. There is a good chance, a 150 gr. 30-30 will penetrate around the same depth in a large animal, as a 150 from a 308 or a 150 gr. from a 30-06, but the two faster moving rounds, will do more damage, before they stop.

Then there is a whole different angle, a 30-30 loaded with bullets other than the old flat nose or round nose bullets commonly used in 30-30s, will result in them maintaining more velocity out to much longer ranges. So you can extend the range of the 30-30 well beyond what is considered the maximum range for a 30-30. Even without doing that, truly a 30-30, has enough energy to cleanly kill past 100 yards. But with open sights on a lever action 100 yards is a good maximum range. I have killed a lot of deer well past 100 yards with 30-30s over the years, but I was always using Contenders with spitzer bullets that were designed to expand at low velocities. I will say my 30-30 loads I have cooked up for my many Contender Super 14 pistols and 18" barreled carbine were some of the most deadly combos I have ever used on deer.

My 7mm Rem. Mag. loads would blow huge craters in deer, literally turn their lungs to liquid, blow their heart into little chunks. But they would manage to run 20 yards, after being slammed to the ground. I don't have a clue how those deer ever got back up. But I could shoot them with my Super 14, with a 135 gr. bullet leaving the barrel at only 2100 fps, and put them on the ground dead at 250 yards, every time. They would never get up, just straight down and dead, with a heart shot. Really the damage done, looked like what I have seen many times from 308s or a 30-06. Good sized hole through the heart, plenty of lung damage, then about a 1" exit hole and a very dead deer. I was always surprised how much damage that low velocity 30-30 could do on a deer. It worked.

Now days I have 30-30s that are pushing 140 gr. bullets out the barrel, at velocities not too far off from a common 308 150 gr. load. You can do a lot more with a 30-30, than a many people believe. With modern bullets, powders and guns, you can greatly increase the performance of a 30-30, without even rechambering the gun to something like a 30-30 AI or 30-30 JDJ. But with good shot placement, with typical old 30-30 lever gun and typical old 30-30 ammo, you can kill just about anything, at least on this continent.

I have only owned one 30-30 lever gun, but lots of 30-30 single shots. The one 30-30 lever gun I owned, was a 1947 Winchester 94. I wish I would have kept. Someday I may buy another one, they are great ranch rifles. I would really rather have a 94 in 44 Mag., over 30-30. I plan to always own a 30-30 of some type, probably more like a few of them. My ultimate 30-30 or my goal to own, is a 1969 Remington 788, in 30-30.

One other little thing that I found not quite correct, in that guy's article. Is him claiming everyone wants high velocity rounds now days. That's not quite correct. The 300 Black Out is quite popular, along with the little 6.5 Grendel. Both very popular deer calibers, now days. Actually the 300 Black Out, is very close to a 30-30 ballistically, or at least some variations of 30-30. What I have seen for velocities and bullet weight, that many guys are hunting with, is virtually identical to my old 30-30 Super 14, loads.

[Voodoo]

Fact is most commercial loads, the projectiles are of a certain hardness designed to expand at the particular velocity. 30-30 bullets are one of the ones that expand perfectly almost every time. Many others are time tested too.

Lets because its a “bow hunter” sight assume the articles were talking about a regular old recurve and the point truly is to “put the “hunt” in hunting”. When I hunt, though I evade the law, I do like to connect with God’s world hence my jab about corn feeders, long range equipment, and high end gear.

I couldn’t give a hoot how anyone else hunts, it was just a humor thread.

[Drycreek3189]

I couldn’t give a hoot how anyone else hunts, it was just a humor thread.

Well, everybody is laughing, so I guess you were successful !

[Duckologist]

If it’s that easy then who doesn’t everyone kill a monster deer off their feeder year after year?

I guess cause monster deer dont frequent corn piles? I'm not real versed on corn pile shoppin so I'm just guessing here

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