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[txwhitetail]

I’m not trying to be a t u r d. I just don’t understand why people have such a disdain for the 6.5. Yeah it’s a popular round and everybody and their dog has jumped on the bandwagon. That doesn’t mean it isn’t a great round. I have met and talked to so many people who don’t like the 6.5 creedmoor just because it’s become so popular. That’s a ridiculous reason to not like a cartridge.

OP, both the 6.5 and the 7mm-08 will do what you need them to do. Both great rounds.

I don’t have “disdain” for the round. It shoots just fine just doesn’t really replace anything we already had. I guess the hype from the “sniper” crowd is what turns me off about it. “Send it” seems to be the catch phrase for it lol.

I had one for about a month I won in a drawing and traded it for another varmint gun. Didn’t do anything my 264 or 25-06 wouldn’t do for Texas game.

I just wish I had a piece of the marketing group that pushed this one. Someone should be getting paid handsomely. $$$

Everyone enjoy whatever you buy/shoot and have a great Christmas.



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[Mike D]

I’m not trying to be a t u r d. I just don’t understand why people have such a disdain for the 6.5. Yeah it’s a popular round and everybody and their dog has jumped on the bandwagon. That doesn’t mean it isn’t a great round. I have met and talked to so many people who don’t like the 6.5 creedmoor just because it’s become so popular. That’s a ridiculous reason to not like a cartridge.

OP, both the 6.5 and the 7mm-08 will do what you need them to do. Both great rounds.

The difference is the ONLY reason it became so popular is Hornady marketing. The 260 Remington has been around much longer and is its ballistic twin for years but Remington screwed the pooch and never really supported it.

The only albeit slight advantage it has over the 260 is a shorter case length and a better shoulder angle.

Performance wise it offers nothing over the 260.


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[Stick1]

I certainly used to feel the same way about the CM as many of the folks saying that it does nothing different than what we already have, and also the folks who won’t touch it due to the hype. I have since either “drank the Kool-aid “ or “seen the light” depending on how you want to look at it. I hope it was the latter, but who knows 3-4 years ago, I probably talked more than a few customers out of building them. Wish I wouldn’t have now.

As a long time 260 fan, the CM almost looked like a down-grade to me. It was certainly a “no thanks, we already have this covered” situation in my mind. Well….I was wrong. I don’t shoot factory ammo. I much prefer to build my own, to my specs, tailored to my gun to get the results that I expect out of a precision rifle. I couldn’t even imagine anyone planning out and spending thousands of dollars on a custom precision build and feeding it off the shelf factory ammo. Well….. I was wrong about that too. That way of thinking kept me from taking the CM seriously. I never gave it a fair shake, and I certainly never shot any factory ammo out of one. I just kept on carving up actions to fit extended mag boxes in an effort to make these great “already have this covered” cartridges work like we thought they should(think 260/6.5-284).

Then some events transpired that forced me to shoot a couple CM’s with factory ammo. Wow, didn’t expect that, but found myself breaking out the chrono to see if the factory ammo was really doing as good as it looked like on target. It was. Stupid good for factory. About that same timeframe we start noticing we are getting requests from a couple new types of customers. We get the “I want to start shooting long range, but I don’t have the time or desire to load” group.(If you have any real experience here, you clearly see the challenge). And we also get another set that’s looking for the unicorn. They want a super accurate deer rifle……but they also want to occasionally shoot long range targets with their buddies, so it needs to have good barrel life……and their kids will be shooting it too, so it needs to have mild recoil, but they don’t reload yet…. but think they MIGHT someday. Lol! Yep, unicorn. BUT, somehow the CM manages to check all of those boxes. And THAT is the thing it does, that the other stuff we already have does not do. Sure, the (fill in your favorite s/a cartridge here) has all of the “potential” to do the same with the right box of ammo. But it won’t. Outside of FGGM 308, the consistency and availability of box ammo just isn’t there to support sub MOA groups at 800 yards across the board day in and day out.

Somebody posted the hard number comparison of the CM vs. some other popular rounds around here the other day. Made it real easy to see how it stacks up and why it is so popular right now. Its not about marketing or hype, it simply works as it was designed to work. It is THE solution for certain shooters who don’t have the time, skill, desire or whatever to craft their own ammo or hunt the largest species in North America. It has it’s niche and it excels there. But you still see guys trying to compare it to belted mags.Lol! Do I get tired of hearing about it? Yep!!!! But then I also have heard so many ridiculous performance claims over the years about the 308 from wanna be snipers, the ol’ 3 hunnert mag that shoots laser beam flat to 500 yards and the 270 that defies all laws of physics that it’s actually refreshing to hear BS about something new for a change. You want to talk about hype? Take a look at the rounds that are introduced and marketed on velocity alone.

At the end of the day, the thing does what it says it does, nothing more - nothing less. It has probably helped more new folks get started in long range shooting sports than any of its predecessors, which is good for all of us. It’s certainly not my first choice as a handloader, but it absolutely would be if I wasn’t. We built one last year for a friend’s son to take on his first elk hunt. Nobody was shocked when the bullet didn’t bounce right off it’s hide past 500 yards. Well....the bull probably was

[ColinR]

I certainly used to feel the same way about the CM as many of the folks saying that it does nothing different than what we already have, and also the folks who won’t touch it due to the hype. I have since either “drank the Kool-aid “ or “seen the light” depending on how you want to look at it. I hope it was the latter, but who knows ..........
They want a super accurate deer rifle……but they also want to occasionally shoot long range targets with their buddies, so it needs to have good barrel life……and their kids will be shooting it too, so it needs to have mild recoil, but they don’t reload yet…. but think they MIGHT someday. Lol! Yep, unicorn. BUT, somehow the CM manages to check all of those boxes.....
.......It’s certainly not my first choice as a handloader, but it absolutely would be if I wasnt.

Thanks for taking the time to write this. So what would be your first choice to check all those boxes if you were a hand loader and want to stay with a 20" barrel?

[sahunter]

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[Lawhunter]

50 bmg

[Stick1]

Thanks for taking the time to write this. So what would be your first choice to check all those boxes if you were a hand loader and want to stay with a 20" barrel?

With ammo consistency no longer being an issue, they all start looking pretty good honestly. The 47L based rounds also start coming into play, which would get my attention.

[TX03RUBI]

Thanks for taking the time to write this. So what would be your first choice to check all those boxes if you were a hand loader and want to stay with a 20" barrel?

I’d be hard tempted to try out the 25 Creed or 25x47 in this scenario. Good speed, soft recoil, good barrel life, and the 131 Blackjack seem to be a winning combination for a shorter hunting rifle. It’ll be bit faster than the 6.5 counter parts with a higher BC, and slightly softer recoil for the most part. Add all that together it makes for a killer short action package. That’s if I was purely hand loading though, and wanted to stay short action standard bolt face. Open it up to magnum bolt faces or long actions, and the answer becomes infinite.

[bphillips]

You’ve got plenty of speed to gain as well if you wish. 3025 is pretty light from the SAUM. I’ve seen several rifles over 3200. Currently I’m getting 3140 being somewhat easy on mine out of a 23” tube.

Yea there is definitely speed to chase but it likely would never group better than where it is. Got 150rds loaded up that will go through then will see what it’s doing and if it needs some tweaking

[mdnabors]

Really like my APR 7mm-08 so far. 20” barrel with 9:1 twist. Tack driver, low recoil, salty triggertech trigger. It loves Hornady 139gr GMX so far (also have the 139gr SST to test out). Sniped a bobcat from 150-175yds about 5 min after I sighted it in. I don’t know if I coulda picked a better all-around Gun for me.

[TxAg]

Really like my APR 7mm-08 so far. 20” barrel with 9:1 twist. Tack driver, low recoil, salty triggertech trigger. It loves Hornady 139gr GMX so far (also have the 139gr SST to test out). Sniped a bobcat from 150-175yds about 5 min after I sighted it in. I don’t know if I coulda picked a better all-around Gun for me.

That sounds about perfect

[ATXArcher]

What would be the optimal barrel length for a Tier 1 in 6.5CM if I was running a Thunderbeast Ultra 7 can on it? Do you see an issue with running a titanium can on the CF barrel you have planned?


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[gfulton]

Pretty sure I'm going with a 6mm creed.

[OKFF610]

You can’t go wrong with a 7mm-08 or a 6.5CM. I have both in my safe and love them both. I’m going to have an APR built in 6.5 PRC personally and it’s looking like it’s gonna be a great round too.

[docmay]

APR has built me a 6.5 PRC and a 7mm-08. I just made the call yesterday to start a 6mm creedmoor. I’m a bowhunter that’s really starting to enjoy rifles again!