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[savin yours]

I was told by somebody that you have two years after submitting a form 4, to submit other forms, and still use the first set of fingerprints and photos. Is this true?


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[duckmanep]

every Form 4 packet needs photos & fingerprints attached to it. Now some dealers will scan your cards & make copies of your photos for future submissions, but they still print and attached to each Form 4.

[Cattrax]

My dealer called ATF last year and was told that fingerprints are only good for 6 months.

[savin yours]

My dealer called ATF last year and was told that fingerprints are only good for 6 months.

Must not be true anymore. Fingerprints and pics go with EVERY submission. Just got back from my class 3 dealer.

[35remington]

I was told by somebody that you have two years after submitting a form 4, to submit other forms, and still use the first set of fingerprints and photos. Is this true?


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For purposes of answering your question I am going to assume you are using a trust.
In that case: What you were told is mostly sort-of true.
The applicable law says: "If the applicant entity has had an application approved as a maker or transferee within the preceding 24 months, and there has been no change to the documentation previously provided, the entity may provide a certification that the information has not been changed since the prior approval and shall identify the application for which the documentation had been submitted by form number, serial number, and date approved."

So you don't have two years from when you *submit,* you have two years from when you are approved. And the 2-year clock actually *starts over* every time you get an approval.

Can read for yourself here: https://atf-eregs.18f.gov/479-85/2016-00192#479-85-b-1

I don't know what gibberish Cattrax and duckmanep are yammering on about.

[duckmanep]

For purposes of answering your question I am going to assume you are using a trust.
In that case: What you were told is mostly sort-of true.
The applicable law says: "If the applicant entity has had an application approved as a maker or transferee within the preceding 24 months, and there has been no change to the documentation previously provided, the entity may provide a certification that the information has not been changed since the prior approval and shall identify the application for which the documentation had been submitted by form number, serial number, and date approved."

So you don't have two years from when you *submit,* you have two years from when you are approved. And the 2-year clock actually *starts over* every time you get an approval.

Can read for yourself here: https://atf-eregs.18f.gov/479-85/2016-00192#479-85-b-1

I don't know what gibberish Cattrax and duckmanep are yammering on about.

Yammering Gibberish.... The definition of "documentation" does not include photos & fingerprints per the dealers/lawyers that I know of that have called the ATF. There is also a Q&A section on an ATF site that spells it out as well. see 2nd question on page 3. https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...16pdf/download

[35remington]

Yammering Gibberish.... The definition of "documentation" does not include photos & fingerprints per the dealers/lawyers that I know of that have called the ATF. There is also a Q&A section on an ATF site that spells it out as well. see 2nd question on page 3. https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...16pdf/download

You didn't answer his question, which was whether the same prints and photo could be used for two years. That's the yammering gibberish. Photos must have been taken within one year of the date of submission. I am not aware of an expiration of fingerprints.

However, I think you are right about the definition of "documentation" being limited to the trust or other similar documents. That Q&A doc is not something I had seen and disagrees with what I have read from major industry participants, but it's the ATF's doc.

[meltingfeather]

ask the attorney that prepared your trust.

[Cattrax]

No yammering. My Class 3 dealer had the same question about fingerprint cards last year. So he called ATF and this was what that ATF agent told him that day. My cards in hand were 2 years old so I had to reprint. Jerk.