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    #16
    Originally posted by rladner View Post
    "moving" is not a solution since all public schools are run this way.
    They're not, "all... run this way." A lot are but not all. If you want change, you need to bring it to your school board. Or better yet, run for and be on your local school board. We need people on our school boards with common sense.

    The problem with giving private schools tax dollars is that the problems with the public school system will likely get worse. And then the kids run through those systems will transition to poorly educated adults further adding to the drain on society.

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      #17
      Originally posted by donpablo View Post
      They're not, "all... run this way." A lot are but not all. If you want change, you need to bring it to your school board. Or better yet, run for and be on your local school board. We need people on our school boards with common sense.

      The problem with giving private schools tax dollars is that the problems with the public school system will likely get worse. And then the kids run through those systems will transition to poorly educated adults further adding to the drain on society.
      I've brought it to my school board, but apparently I'm a minority. I don't have time to run for a school board. I'm too busy working and making a living to support my family. After that I spend all my free time with my kids and their sports, keeping them active and away from the X box...... and hunting .

      I believe the educational system won't improve until it has some sort of collapse. That won't happen without the freedom to take my business to a competitor. There is no motive or incentive for the public school system to change. Watch money flow to private schools and then you'll have their attention. Until then they will simply ask for more money to throw at a problem that soaks up money like a dry sponge.


      By the way, I live in what is considered a good school district. Can't imagine how this crap is run in a "below standard" district

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        #18
        Originally posted by rladner View Post
        I've brought it to my school board, but apparently I'm a minority. I don't have time to run for a school board. I'm too busy working and making a living to support my family. After that I spend all my free time with my kids and their sports, keeping them active and away from the X box...... and hunting .

        I believe the educational system won't improve until it has some sort of collapse. That won't happen without the freedom to take my business to a competitor. There is no motive or incentive for the public school system to change. Watch money flow to private schools and then you'll have their attention. Until then they will simply ask for more money to throw at a problem that soaks up money like a dry sponge.


        By the way, I live in what is considered a good school district. Can't imagine how this crap is run in a "below standard" district
        Simply taking money away from low performing schools will not work. We can't compete because we don't have the funds to compete if you take more away that make no sense.

        I am a CFO of a district i know how the funding works. The more you raise locally the more the state takes away. There is no equity some schools are starting a 200 meter dash with a 100 meter head start.

        The problem regular people have no clue what is gong on and the legislature doesn't want you to know either.

        REmember he wont back down!!

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          #19
          Originally posted by mastercraftka View Post
          Simply taking money away from low performing schools will not work. We can't compete because we don't have the funds to compete if you take more away that make no sense.

          I am a CFO of a district i know how the funding works. The more you raise locally the more the state takes away. There is no equity some schools are starting a 200 meter dash with a 100 meter head start.

          The problem regular people have no clue what is gong on and the legislature doesn't want you to know either.

          REmember he wont back down!!
          Well, in my case I'd be taking money from a "high performing" school. That should help level the playing field

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            #20
            Texas does in fact rank 36th in per pupil school spending. Our state spends a little over $10,000 per student and the national average is about $12,500. I have a hard time believing that money is the biggest problem though, there are many states that spend much more than we do with much worse results. The average private elementary school in Texas charges $8,800 - more of them would pop-up in a true school choice system. I think competition would help both public and private schools as both would have to endeavor to provide the best education at the best price. Monopolies almost always end up providing an inferior product at a high price. I think many teachers would agree that the biggest impediment a child's school performance is parents that don't give a flip and provide no support/motiation at home. I'm sure that is a huge source of frustration for educators but more money is not going change that.
            Last edited by jerp; 03-02-2018, 04:15 PM.

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              #21
              School (public or private) performance is DIRECTLY related to parent involvement. It aint the money.

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                #22
                Originally posted by jerp View Post
                Texas does in fact rank 36th in per pupil school spending. Our state spends a little over $10,000 per student and the national average is about $12,500. I have a hard time believing that money is the biggest problem though, there are many states that spend much more than we do with much worse results. The average private elementary school in Texas charges $8,800 - more of them would pop-up in a true school choice system. I think competition would help both public and private schools as both would have to endeavor to provide the best education at the best price. Monopolies almost always end up providing an inferior product at a high price. I think many teachers would agree that the biggest impediment a child's school performance is parents that don't give a flip and provide no support/motiation at home. I'm sure that is a huge source of frustration for educators but more money is not going change that.

                This right here. If money was the issue, private schools that spend less per student would have poorer results, but just the opposite it true. The classic progressive mantra is throw more of other peoples money at it, which doesn't seem to be helping so far, but people sure like to act like it would. There are major issues with public schools, lack of money is not it. If schools would use the money they are given correctly maybe they could compete with private schools, heck maybe some teachers and school board members could drive over to a well performing private school and see what they are doing different. Who am I kidding, they will just fall back on putting their hand in other peoples pockets.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by rladner View Post
                  Well, in my case I'd be taking money from a "high performing" school. That should help level the playing field
                  Yes sir and they already supposedly do that with “recapture”, old robinhood plan. But our great leaders take that “rich” school money add it bck into the general fund and put less money from other sources in education. So amount of funding never goes up.

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