Suppressed and sub sonic hunting

[austinmike]

What Caliber gun do you all use for hunting I tryed 300blk and didn't like it
I lost a axis buck with it using Lehigh defense 194gr

Well I have a 30 Cal can I figured I'd ask to green screen what weapon of choice do you use for subsonic hunting I no some body had to hunt. With it

[Outbreaker]

Subsonics only have the energy of a pistol round (9mm-45acp) so you have to shoot accordingly........head shots only IMHO.

I shoot a .308 win with 168gr bergers subsonic. This is headshots only mainly at pigs in the corral trap at 50yds to keep them from tearing up my trap.

[trophy8]

All subs will be the same. 308 sub is the same Bullet as a 300 bulk. They won't expand anymore reliably in a .224 projectile or a 30 or whatever. Yes I know they make specialty bullets that are supposed to expand. They are reliable. Lots and lots of folks found this the hard way. They aren't all that much quieter when suppressed than supers. Just shoot supers and be done. The impact of the bullet is very loud by itself.

[austinmike]

Ok thanks for the info

[Bighorns]

I think generally speaking all of the 30 cal will be the same. 200 or so grain bullet traveling around 1000 ft per sec is going to hit the same no matter what. Bullet type and expansion will change based on your type and brand. I have read very good reviews on the Barnes vortex bullets. They are made to expand at lower volatility but I have not shot anything with it yet.

[Outbreaker]

I think generally speaking all of the 30 cal will be the same. 200 or so grain bullet traveling around 1000 ft per sec is going to hit the same no matter what. Bullet type and expansion will change based on your type and brand. I have read very good reviews on the Barnes vortex bullets. They are made to expand at lower volatility but I have not shot anything with it yet.

Lower supersonic velocities not subsonic.

[sendit]

All subs will be the same. 308 sub is the same Bullet as a 300 bulk. They won't expand anymore reliably in a .224 projectile or a 30 or whatever. Yes I know they make specialty bullets that are supposed to expand. They are reliable. Lots and lots of folks found this the hard way. They aren't all that much quieter when suppressed than supers. Just shoot supers and be done. The impact of the bullet is very loud by itself.

It is true that there is no expansion with most subsonic loads. Heart and head shots need no bullet expansion to quickly kill. I can not even remotely agree with you stating there is not much difference in the report. I have shot many 1000's suppressed of both to know better. 208's, 220 and 240 SMK's in 30 cal and Sierra's 160 round nose in 6.5 cal work great for me at 1000-1050 fps

[trophy8]

It is true that there is no expansion with most subsonic loads. Heart and head shots need no bullet expansion to quickly kill. I can not even remotely agree with you stating there is not much difference in the report. I have shot many 1000's suppressed of both to know better. 208's, 220 and 240 SMK's in 30 cal and Sierra's 160 round nose in 6.5 cal work great for me at 1000-1050 fps

I've shot thousands of rounds myself. The impact of the bullet is so loud that the slight difference in report is negligible. Or you need a better suppressor. I know you have good gear so I doubt it. Head shots you can use FMJ subs. I get that. Most folks can't shoot that well. And there is a ton of data showing subs don't expand reliably. They certainly have the cool factor but aren't real good at much else. Shoot into a group of hogs with either and they will haul butt either way at the impact of either shot.

[JW]

I've shot thousands of rounds myself. The impact of the bullet is so loud that the slight difference in report is negligible. Or you need a better suppressor. I know you have good gear so I doubt it. Head shots you can use FMJ subs. I get that. Most folks can't shoot that well. And there is a ton of data showing subs don't expand reliably. They certainly have the cool factor but aren't real good at much else. Shoot into a group of hogs with either and they will haul butt either way at the impact of either shot.

And you still need expansion on a heart shot. Maybe not to ultimately cause death. But it sure would be nice to have a blood trail to find it after it runs. And it's gonna run. That sub **** causes a lot of animals to go Unrecovered every year now. If I had a hunting ranch I wouldn't allow it.


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[150class]

Supers

[gatorgrizz27]

Yep, a .30 caliber bullet going 1000 fps only has so much energy. Go supersonic like the Barnes 110 gr Tac-TX

[kck]

308 with 175 matchkings .020 off lands, 10.1 grains of trailboss and .0025 total neck tension out of a 16.5" barrel gives me a pretty consistent 1020 fps. give or take. The only reason I reload and shoot subs is because I had to fill 65 doe tags on the golf course here at the country club. All head shots at 50-60 yards. Would never even consider another shot with subs, no matter what bullet. I do have to respectfully disagree with the noise levels not being different enough to matter though. Perhaps that's for another thread with dB evidence...

[trophy8]

308 with 175 matchkings .020 off lands, 10.1 grains of trailboss and .0025 total neck tension out of a 16.5" barrel gives me a pretty consistent 1020 fps. give or take. The only reason I reload and shoot subs is because I had to fill 65 doe tags on the golf course here at the country club. All head shots at 50-60 yards. Would never even consider another shot with subs, no matter what bullet. I do have to respectfully disagree with the noise levels not being different enough to matter though. Perhaps that's for another thread with dB evidence...

There is a difference. I understand. I assure I am very very familiar with it. My point was that the impact of the bullet is so loud that the rest of the animals are going to run anyway. A sub gives you almost no advantage over supers. Subs ARE quieter. But the impact is still very loud.

[Mike D]

I think generally speaking all of the 30 cal will be the same. 200 or so grain bullet traveling around 1000 ft per sec is going to hit the same no matter what. Bullet type and expansion will change based on your type and brand. I have read very good reviews on the Barnes vortex bullets. They are made to expand at lower volatility but I have not shot anything with it yet.

The Barnes bullets work very well when pushed fast but except for 1 or 2 specific bullets made for the 300 Blackout and that have a slightly lower velocity threshold for expansion. But even then they have to be 1400fps or higher. Most of their other offerings work best at 2000fps and higher. Nowhere near subsonic velocities.


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[gingib]

Subsonic's arent worth a crap in .300 BLK...they shoot so slow and can't shoot effectively past 100-125 yards for a kill shot

I am reloading Barnes bullets in my .300 BLK