So I understand that you will get a tax stamp refund on any "recent" suppressor purchases, that's awesome. But what will I do with my trust? Do I transfer my current cans to myself or do I leave them as trust property? Would it be possible or beneficial for me to somehow use my trust to purchase additional items if this does pass?
I'm all for this to pass!
But... Like 150class, I guess I'm gonna have to find another "cool kid" club to join. But I'm running out of clubs. The hipsters ruined beards, craft brews, and flannel for me.
Why would anything be any different? You use the trust for reasons other than the fingerprints and photos which was nullified anyway with the passage of 41F. You also no longer have to have CLEO approval, just notification.
I have 8 cans.....
I hope it passes and they can keep my money.
It is a silly law any way.
In South Africa guns are hard to buy but you can buy a can at Wal Mart.
Trump supposedly said he was signing it in the first 100 days...
Prices are already lower than when I bought my first. 725 for an sdn 6 last week. That said it can rise a couple 100 and still be at what it cost when they first became legal
I've been told the manufacturers are building as fast as possible. One rather large supplier is buying them up in anticipation.
I guess I'm in the minority of hoping it doesn't pass to avoid every swinging blah blah to have one out in the field?
I kinda like the whole special club deal like being P&Y on here
Would 100% be for a law that knocked the wait time down to a couple weeks or a month though
Lol, you could be in the special club of people actually capable of shooting accurately with one.
Half the conversations I hear from AR guys with suppressors at ASC. "Yeah, I shoot sub MOA all day long with this thing". 5 min later, we go down to the targets, they are lucky to hit a 12" target.
If this goes thru, I'm gonna by me that little NC machine I've always wanted... Be a good retirement bidness... Becoming a legal manufacturer should be easier too...
The only bad thing will be increase prices on cans.
I don't see why we'd see an increase in price; certainly not in the long run. Current pricing is based on production for a limited market. Small companies making suppressors one at a time. This means companies need to have a significant profit margin built into each suppressor. If the HPA passes the market will explode opening the opportunity for mass production and for smaller profit margins and lower prices.
Right now, the suppressor market is made up of a very small segment of the shooting community that's willing to pay $750-$1200 on a suppressor. NFA or not, the average Joe is unlikely to spring for that much money for a suppressor. If some of these small companies don't recognize that, they will be in big trouble from companies like Sig that have the capacity to ramp up production and work on smaller margins to bring affordable products (in quantity) to market. Let's face it, while cans are popular on here, they're just not a common item for most US gun owners - they're one of those 'pipe dreams' for the average guy. They're too expensive and the paperwork is too complicated and too much of a hassle for them. If the market is expanded to include all those folks, prices will come down - basic free market principles will come in to play. Remember the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban. When it was in force, lower receivers were crazy expensive. When the ban was allowed to sunset, we didn't see those prices increase or even stay high; we saw them decrease. Today, you can find lowers under $100. Suppressors should be the same.
Of course there will be some initial blips in availability and we may even see SOME price increases. I think those price increases will be from disreputable dealers trying to take advantage of shortages. The manufacturers (at least those with competent CFOs) will be focused on increasing production and reducing the related costs. Suppressors are WAY over-priced for what actually goes into making them. They're simple devices that would be easy to make in mass quantities. While they're NFA items it makes no sense to make them in huge quantities; but the HPA would change all that, if passed.
There is really no down side to the HPA. If we see more companies getting into the suppressor business, we're likely to see advancements in capabilities coming quicker than we do currently. A drastic and sudden increase in the market, and the competition for market share, will fuel R&D much more than we've experienced in the past few years.
I've got my trust and suppressors but to heck with some "club" I really want this to pass. Suppressors should have never been part of the NFA to begin with.
I don't see why we'd see an increase in price; certainly not in the long run. Current pricing is based on production for a limited market. Small companies making suppressors one at a time. This means companies need to have a significant profit margin built into each suppressor. If the HPA passes the market will explode opening the opportunity for mass production and for smaller profit margins and lower prices.
Right now, the suppressor market is made up of a very small segment of the shooting community that's willing to pay $750-$1200 on a suppressor. NFA or not, the average Joe is unlikely to spring for that much money for a suppressor. If some of these small companies don't recognize that, they will be in big trouble from companies like Sig that have the capacity to ramp up production and work on smaller margins to bring affordable products (in quantity) to market. Let's face it, while cans are popular on here, they're just not a common item for most US gun owners - they're one of those 'pipe dreams' for the average guy. They're too expensive and the paperwork is too complicated and too much of a hassle for them. If the market is expanded to include all those folks, prices will come down - basic free market principles will come in to play. Remember the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban. When it was in force, lower receivers were crazy expensive. When the ban was allowed to sunset, we didn't see those prices increase or even stay high; we saw them decrease. Today, you can find lowers under $100. Suppressors should be the same.
Of course there will be some initial blips in availability and we may even see SOME price increases. I think those price increases will be from disreputable dealers trying to take advantage of shortages. The manufacturers (at least those with competent CFOs) will be focused on increasing production and reducing the related costs. Suppressors are WAY over-priced for what actually goes into making them. They're simple devices that would be easy to make in mass quantities. While they're NFA items it makes no sense to make them in huge quantities; but the HPA would change all that, if passed.
There is really no down side to the HPA. If we see more companies getting into the suppressor business, we're likely to see advancements in capabilities coming quicker than we do currently. A drastic and sudden increase in the market, and the competition for market share, will fuel R&D much more than we've experienced in the past few years.
This guys gets it. I will throw two other pennies into the wishing well:
1. Forget about the $200 refund. Even the most conservative Congress in the world ain't gonna go around giving $200 back to every guy who bought a can since fall of 2015. That provision is a sacrificial lamb—the conservatives will offer to kill it in exchange for more votes from those on the fence.
2. My only real concern about this bill passing is what happens when the rabid liberal news media starts reporting about the increase in crimes being committed with suppressors. I hope the voters do not swing the pendulum too far back the other direction.
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