Coyote Rifle Suppressor Question

[M.E.B.]

I have a 30 caliber suppressor coming. I had plans to use it on my .223 AR for coyote hunting. But I got to thinking, which is always a problem.

I have a lot of .223 ammo so I don't want to buy subsonic ammo and have 2 different rounds for the same rifle meaning only one will be sighted in for the rifle. If I use the suppressor on my AR my ammo is not subsonic. It will be quieter than it was but not as quiet as subsonic ammo would be.

So my questions are for a new rifle

1. Reasonably priced
2. Coyote size caliber
3. Easily found sub sonic ammo

[txfireguy2003]

1) Ruger American?....That predator in 6.5 Creed looks nice! Savage? Remington? What's reasonably priced to you?
2) take your pick....but "coyote sized" to me.....6.5 and down?
3) here's the rub. Why? Subs suck for hunting. Unless you hit them in the head, they're going to run off. If you insist on subs, go with pistol caliber so you can use pistol bullets designed to expand at those velocities.

Supersonic is where it's at for hunting....The faster the better IMO.

For what it's worth, even with subs, a yote will hear the shot, even if it's just the firing pin dropping on a bolt gun. My AR in 223, with my 30 cal Specwar, sounds very much like a .22lr. I'd stick with full power rounds in the AR, but for be it from me to take at a man's excuse to buy a new gun.....but even with a new rifle, I'd stick with full power loads. They're going to hear it either way.

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[Tejas Wildlife]

Try the 30 on your 223 before buying anything. And use supersonic rounds like he mentioned above^^^^^^

Shooting my .223 thru my .30 YHM Titanium supp reduces the sound a little but the main thing is if you are in front of the barrel around 100 yds out the sounds is hard to pinpoint where it is coming from. When you hear the supersonic crack of a round you can tell exactly where it comes from but not normally after passing thru the supp. I have subsonic rounds for my 223 & 308 but end up mainly shooting supers thru the supp, due to the ballistics of supersonic rounds. Now the Gemtech Mist barrel for my 10/22 hasn't been tested yet.....................but Monday afternoon I should know more...........if it doesn't rain more. I plan on using the 10/22 around the house to not spook the **** Racehorses in their stalls! Hard to justify shooting a raccoon, possum, or other varmint around the barn when the danged horses in stalls act like idiots when you shoot. Vet visits are EXPENSIVE!!!! .308 will be my main hunting round for hogs, deer, coyotes, etc. At least that is what I am thinking about...........which has caused me problems in the past, just like you referenced!

[Paslaw0311]

If you're dead set on buying a different host, and the goal is subsonic suppression, then why not get a .300 blk upper and get the most out of your .30 caliber can? Tons of good subsonic choices for ammo, and really quiet.

[niceg3s]

If you're dead set on buying a different host, and the goal is subsonic suppression, then why not get a .300 blk upper and get the most out of your .30 caliber can? Tons of good subsonic choices for ammo, and really quiet.

I'd second on the .300 blackout

[35remington]

I have a 30 caliber suppressor coming. I had plans to use it on my .223 AR for coyote hunting. But I got to thinking, which is always a problem.



I have a lot of .223 ammo so I don't want to buy subsonic ammo and have 2 different rounds for the same rifle meaning only one will be sighted in for the rifle. If I use the suppressor on my AR my ammo is not subsonic. It will be quieter than it was but not as quiet as subsonic ammo would be.



So my questions are for a new rifle



1. Reasonably priced

2. Coyote size caliber

3. Easily found sub sonic ammo

Just shoot the coyotes with what you have. Buy a good .223 bullet like the Barnes TSX. Very common coyote killer.

[SC-Texas]

Exactly. Use what you have, use the .30 can, purchase good hunting ammo and kill some coyotes

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[SC-Texas]

The subsonic projectiles have terrible terminal performance

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[bwool]

Exactly. Use what you have, use the .30 can, purchase good hunting ammo and kill some coyotes

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How much quieter is using supersonic with a suppressor than with out a suppressor? 50 % quieter? 25%? Is it worth using a suppressor if your not going to shoot subs?

[sendit]

It's much quieter shooting supers with a suppressor and well worth it. The report is about like a .22 LR with the average CF round. The bullet noise is something you can not doing anything about. The surroundings make a pretty big difference too. In open spaces the report is quieter that shooting around things as buildings, trees and such. Sounds are reflected back to you with them around.

[gatorgrizz27]

I agree, I'd go .300 BLK if you want another gun and are stuck on subsonic.

You really need to look at the energy when you reduce the velocity down to 1,050 fps to remain subsonic. A .223 loaded subsonic has about the same energy as a .22 short. Even if you have the faster 1:7" twist, I doubt it will stabilize the heavier bullets when you slow them down that far.

The reason .300 BLK does better is because you can stabilize 180-220 gr bullets at the lower velocities, so it has significantly more energy. You do need bullets designed to expand at subsonic speeds, and the trajectory is terrible. You should be able to deal with it if you know the distance you're shooting though. Either use a range finder, or measure different fence posts and trees and set up in the same spot every time. I wouldn't shoot beyond 150 yards, 100 is better.

For hunting coyotes, I'd also prefer an AR platform over a bolt gun so you can are advantage of quick follow up shots if they are wounded and running away.

[SC-Texas]

How much quieter is using supersonic with a suppressor than with out a suppressor? 50 % quieter? 25%? Is it worth using a suppressor if your not going to shoot subs?

It is definitely with suppressing a supersonic rifle round.

I.e. 164db down to 134ish with a good can

223/556

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[txfireguy2003]

I wish I had video of it. Last weekend, I leery my buddy shoot my AR with my can on for the first time. He was super impressed, so he pulled his 22lr Mossberg plinkster out and we shot back to back. 223...22....223.....22 for a whole magazine from his 22. I'm fairly certain the biggest sound difference between the two was the sound of the AR's action cycling. They truly sounded almost identical........MAYBE the AR was SLIGHTLY louder.....like maybe a 22lr with a shorter barrel, or maybe a 22 mag.....buy I don't think it even reaches 22 mag noise level.

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[ATXArcher]

The benefit to shooting coyotes with a suppressed rifle is to you the shooter. I shoot coyotes with an 18" 223 and a Surefire 762-mini. On occasion I will shoot them with a 6.5 Creedmoor and a Thunderbeast Ultra 30 cal can. Both rifles are so much more polite with the suppressors. Suppressed rifles seem to keep the hogs and deer calm, but I doubt there is anything that keeps multiple coyotes calm when the shooting starts.