Does a hospital have to have a 30.06 sign , or not?

[Jethro]

My wife is a hospital administrator, and she fully believes the gunbuster sign will work for CHL in a hospital. That is what her state hospital whatever rep is telling her. I have read over and over, here and other places, that even a hospital has to have correctly posted 30.06 signage, or give verbal notice, to keep a CHL holder from carrying. So which is it?

IIRC, the law actually states something stupid like (paraphrasing here) "You can't carry in a hospital if they have a proper 30.06 sign." Well duh, you can't carry anywhere that has a proper 30.06 sign, so why even list a hospital in that statement?

Help a guy out here...

[PSD Ryan]

46.035 says can't carry at hospital.

[Thumper]

In......

[PSD Ryan]

Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.


(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;
(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.

(2) "License holder" means a person licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
(g) An offense under Subsection (a), (b), (c), (d), or (e) is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the offense is committed under Subsection (b)(1) or (b)(3), in which event the offense is a felony of the third degree.

[treestand]

Can not carry in a legally licensed hospital. No sign is required. See http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u.../htm/PE.46.htm

[npe001]

I left mine in my truck at the hospital while my dad was in from a stroke. (my brother did as well). Came out to both trucks broken into and both guns gone. Luckily they only found one of my pistols in the truck

[Jethro]

PSD Ryan,

The way i understand it you have the first part right, but do not list the exception to it, which is listed further down in section i:

(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not
given effective notice under Section 30.06

Which then would mean even at a hospital proper notice must be given...

That is the way I understand it?

[PSD Ryan]

You're right. I missed that.

I thought it was always fine without signage, and used to carry in them all the time. Pays to read the whole thing

[mmoses]

PSD Ryan,

The way i understand it you have the first part right, but do not list the exception to it, which is listed further down in section i:

(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not
given effective notice under Section 30.06

Which then would mean even at a hospital proper notice must be given...

That is the way I understand it?

They added that a few years ago.

but some are teaching hospitals. UTMB in Galveston is a Campus.

TVC hopefully will be along and tell us what is the most correct!

[Jethro]

Correct on the teaching thing, but we are a rural health clinic and not even close to being a teaching facility. Good to point that out though. Always an exception to the exception, when you are dealing with the law...

[AJMag]

I laugh at the Conroe hospital here. It has a signs at only a few entrances that say carrying a weapon in the hospital is illegal, which is only true for non chl holders. If they don't have a 30.06, I'm carrying which is legal to do.

[DocHolliday]

Carry away in hospitals, nursing homes, and any other health care facility. They ALL must post 30.06 like anyone else.

[Pushbutton2]

What about Effective notice?

[tvc184]

The original CHL law did not require a hospital to post a 30.06 sign for it to be a crime. That law went into effect in 1995. The very next legislature in 1997 passed HR2909 that removed several locations, including hospitals, from places that were automatically illegal to carry weapons under a CHL (PC 46.035).

Or to make it short, a hospital is required to post a 30.06 sign for it to be illegal to carry a handgun under a CHL.

[Jethro]

Well, that is exactly like I thought. But it is a fight I am not winning with her so I am bowing out of it.